Westin's Payment Policies?
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I've searched around, and I still have a question regarding The Westin's payment policies. I'm under the impression that should one use a credit/debit card to actually pay for the room that the hotel has a policy of holding more than the amount for the room in case the attendant generates additional charges (such as utilizing one of many of the Westin's lovely services or the unfortunate situation where the room has seen better days). Of course, this isn't quite a problem on a credit card but can become a little more than a nuisance on a debit. Is this true? Or am I confused? And part two of my question, what policies does the Westin have about a customer who wishes to pay cash for the entire bill at check in? Is it possible to pay for everything upfront and then pay any additional fees or charges at checkout? |

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Location: Ardmore, PA
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Yes, we do not recommend using a debit card for the reason you cited.
I'm not sure about the pre-payment in cash. Given how close the con is, it may be best to give them a call at (412) 281-3700 during business hours.
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Thank you kindly. I shall be sure to give them a ring.
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permalinkUmm.. how much exactly do they reserve on your card up front? How many nights?
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permalinkLocation: Ardmore, PA
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All of them, plus 40%.
If you have a credit card, this is no problem. The hotel does something called an "auth", which simply "reserves" a part of your credit limit. When the charge is made at the end of the stay, the auth goes away and all you see is the amount you are charged.
If you have a debit card, it's the same thing, but banks have a tendency to make those funds unavailable while the auth is in place.
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permalinkOdd... I thought it said in the Hotel FAQ that it was 1-2 nights.
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permalinkI've paid cash up front before at con hotels, but not the Westin. At the others, they were more than happy to take the cash at check in. I then guaranteed any additional amount with a credit card. Basically, they deducted each night's stay (and any other expenses) from the pre-paid amount. If the Westin has express check-out (through the TV in the room), you should be able to check the balance left every night.
Using the credit card as backup allows you (assuming express check out) to leave without a lot of hassle. Just drop off the keys and go. Any additional charges will be put on the card. Again, at other hotels, they'll slip a sheet under your door early on the morning of the day you're scheduled to leave listing all the room charges and your final balance.
Again, as I said, I don't know the Westin's policies. This is just how I've seen it work at other places. Since it works reasonably well, I'd be surprised if the Westin didn't do something similar.
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permalinkcharlieg is correct, You Can pay for the room with cash when you check in then use the cc to cover additional costs OR pay a cash deposit <100.00 or so> any balance left over will be returned when you check out.
I did this last year with no problems.
Rory
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permalinkLocation: Northern VA
I called and spoke with a lady at the Westin earlier today and asked about the hold that is placed on your debit card, and whether or not paying with cash up front would prevent them from placing such a hold. She assured me that that was in fact the case and said that that is what she does when she stays there. However as this was the switchboard operator and not one of the front desk people I wont make any claims as to her authority to make such a claim.
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Here is the definitive answer, reported to me from the hotel's front desk manager just a few minutes ago.
When you check in at the front desk, the following charges are calculated:
Room and tax ($125) for ALL of the nights of your stay (so if you are staying for 4 nights, it is $500), PLUS $60 for incidentals (phone, minibar, movies, etc.). That $60 is refunded at the end, minus any charge for incidentals that you used.
When you use a credit card, a TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATION is made on the card for the full amount (in the above example, $560). That means that your credit limit is effectively reduced by $560. This is to ensure that the hotel will be paid when you check out, and that they won't be facing a card that is over its limit, invalid, etc. So if you have a $1500 credit limit on your card, you will only be able to spend $940.
If you use a debit card, you get the same temporary authorization, but now the money that is being set aside is in your bank account. You will not have access to that money until the hotel bill is paid. So if you have $1500 in your bank account, you will find that you only have $940 to spend.
Now, here is the kicker: banks are evil. The hotel has no control over when that authorization will expire. You can pay the bill on time, but the bank that issues your credit card may take several days -- or in some cases, more than a week -- to release the temporary authorization. The $560 that was being held will still be held, while the real hotel charge goes through. So your credit card will think that it has been charged $560 twice for a few days, and during that few days, you'll have less than $400 available to use.
If you pay with cash up front, you still have to pay the full amount plus the $60 deposit, but you get the $60 back (less any fees for incidentals) when you check out.
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permalinkLocation: Northern VA
Awesome!! Thanks for doing the legwork Kage, I Didn't know if there was a specific person I should ask, and thought it would be rude to have the operator direct me to someone when she had answered my question herself. Glad you have the inside track and that you were able to get a dollar amount quoted as well.
Thanks Again
Tora
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You might want to change "credit" to "debit" (and "that few" should be "those few"
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permalinkLocation: Chicago, IL
In the case of some banks, and especially pre-paid debit cards (pre paid visa or MC, etc) it can take as long as a month for that hold to expire unless you specifically intervene, which can still involve 1-2 week delays and you have to contact the merchant to fax a statement releasing the money.
Yeah, I had to deal with that once. That's why I always use cash at a hotel.
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permalinkI just checked with a Ms. Lia Savini via email.. originally about adding another night to my stay but decided to ask about the deposit required upon check in.. this being before your post, Kage. I just got a reply back..
It's room and tax ($125) for every night of your stay plus $50 *per night* for incidentals. So that makes $700 up front required for cash on a 4 night stay. Credit card is $125 pus 40% *per night*.
For a 4 night stay at a con hotel, that's kinda nuts. The $200 you get back but.. that's $200 less to spend.
So now we have 2 different figures, tho. Which one is correct?
DCR
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permalinkLocation: Chicago, IL
Sometimes if you're really nice to the hotel front desk person and ask very sweetly they'll allow you to waive incidentals. your phone won't be able to make outgoing calls and you won't be able to order room service, or paid for TV stuff, etc.. and sometimes they won't do it, but I've never had a problem with that in the past.
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With regard to debit card usage:
I encountered this a few years ago, in Philly at the Adams Mark: yes, if you use a debit card, the bank will withhold that 'auth' charge until the hotel calls to straighten them out, or until the bill is paid, whichever comes first. If you're quick, what you can do is call the bank or card holding company, right after you've paid your bill-- or, as was in my case, the card was merely used to hold the room, not to pay the final bill, and so I called them as soon as the card being used to pay the room was made available to do so-- and let them know what is going on. If you're nice to them, though, they may push the authorization through in just a few days. If you happen to be nice 'and' charming, you might get a representative of the hotel to speak with the folks at your bank or card holding company, and then they'll release the 'auth' in 72 hours or less.
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permalinkLocation: Pittsburgh, PA 15222
To claify the hold charges
If a guest presents a debit card at check in the following holds will be placed on the funds in your bank account:
If no prior payment arrangements have been made and the guest is paying for all their charges, we multiple the nightly room rate by the number of nights and add 40% to cover taxes and estimated personal charges. For example: Room rate $110 x4 nights = $440 x 140% = $616.00.
If your room and tax charges have been paid in advance, then we will hold $60 initially. If the guest’s personal charges go over the initial $60 we authorize for the overage only. This is done on a nightly basis.
When these holds are placed on debit cards the funds are unavailable from anywhere to 5-14 days depending on your banks policy.
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