Anthrocon 2014 Advertisement, now with 20% More Ponies!
This was part of an ad swap we did between our conbook and BronyCon's conbook this year:
As the advertisement implies, we will be attending BronyCon in just a few weeks, and will have a table in their Dealers Room. We hope to see you there!
Oh, good. See, I have nothing against bronies (my friend is one and I've gone with him to events), but I don't want to see Anthrocon turn into a kind of Bronycon-lite! I was worried there was going to be a brony theme next year!
Because liking cartoon horses and liking cartoon horses are two different things...
Oh, no, that's not what I meant. I consider "brony" to be an offshoot of furry, myself. I've seen the show, myself. I just don't like it enough to really get into the fandom. Besides, I've always been biased towards canines.
I'm glad you followed up. Based on your first comment, it seemed like you were judging the brony fandom pretty hardcore.
I usually ignore all the words in a sentence that exist before the word 'but' ;)
That wasn't my intent at all, of course. In fact, usually I end up as the advocate when I'm around other furs who do judge the brony fandom and community.
Mainly, my worry was that the theme would be a source of boredom for me.
Did it? I'm pretty sure all he said was he didn't want there to be a brony theme.
I would agree with your statement here, but also disagree. Rather, I would like to expand apon your apporch to this.
MLP or My Little Pony is a singular show reguarding cartoon equines as the focus with other animals as well. It has its own following with "Bronies" or "pegasisters" and other followers.
Furries are often described as "People who enjoy anthrophmorizing animals" or "Giving animals human like features".
Now here is the thing, while MLP anthrophamorizes equines and other animals that are animated, that does not mean every brony considers themself a furry.
Vice versa, not ever furry is a fan of the show MLP.
However, there is some form of attachment with a middle ground of people who enjoy both.
I happen to be one of those people that is both interested in the show MLP, and the fandom of Anthrophamorics (Furries).
IF Anthrocon should take the step of giving anthrocon 2014 a 'brony' style feel for it, it would be no different than this year being a car theme, or last year being mid summers night dream. It would not be shoved in anyones face, it would not revolve around MLP, it simply would have some form of special set up towards that end. (Such as the nice car set up in the dealers den this year)
That all being said, I do not think Anthrocon 2014 will take that approch and are simply reaching out to another fandom that enjoys something similar to see if there are members that are unaware and unfamilure with our group, and the same being said for BronyCon.
Thanks for reading!
I think you're right. It was a bit of a gut reaction. Though I still wouldn't be down with the theme so much. These themes the past few years have been things that I enjoyed on some level. I wouldn't get the same enjoyment out of a brony theme.
And you are right that not all bronies would consider themselves furries. For myself, I believe that what makes someone a furry is solely their decision to associate with the furry fandom on any level. If they don't, then they aren't a furry.
I think everybody's missing the point here; the announced theme for next year's AC is "Secret Societies"; the Bronycon poster merges that (note the "Secret" in the text) with ponies given the audience (Bronies), but that doesn't lead me to believe that next year's theme will be MLP-based.
No, I missed that at first. I got it now.
Carmen SanDiego pony? LIFE COMPLETE
heh, I'm trying to see if thats my character or not. to see if it was stolen or not as I was not told about this, My character has been around for over a year. I'm just trying to figure things out. I have an SL and a tumblr to prove it.
Teeeeechnically, by making a Carmen Sandiego pony you're already infringing on someone else's copyrights/intellectual property.
I can't draw ponies. There's no way to understand how do they fold their limbs.
Its like asking how magnets work~
I'm sorry but I just facepalm at your comment.
You might as well ask "What are birds? Just what are birds? We just don't know."
I've work with horses most all my life, but my Fursona is a Toony Lookin' Wolf.
I have an adopted racehorse mare and I named her Derpy Hooves.
I see Brony and Furry as both in a genus of the Furry Fandom.
When my Friends ask me why I picked a canine type fursuit and not a equine related one, I tell them I was just looking one night on eBay and the moment I saw Salem, I just knew it was for me. I didn't pick out the fursuit...the fursuit picked me.
When Pre-reg closed, Bronycon hit over 6,000. Geez.
But then again, there's fewer brony conventions than furry conventions. So I suppose it really isn't too surprising.
But then again, there's fewer brony conventions than furry conventions. So I suppose it really isn't too surprising.
There's still plenty. Of course, the pony conventions also draw show talent & such. Lot of travelling for the VA's and writers.
Well, crap. This I did not expect! Isn't the fandom still somewhat young? That's pretty impressive!
That's scary, and just a little depressing.
Now I don't have a problem with bronies - both our fandom and the brony fandom have their particular creeps and the ones that try to push their likes on everyone...it's not the bronies in general that I'm having an issue with. It just doesn't sit well in my head that their con gets to be bigger than ours. I always saw bronies as subsect of furries - that THEY were lucky enough to get to be associated with OUR group, and not the other way around.
I do know that there are plenty of valid reasons that this is the case - BronyCon's hotel block is most likely much bigger than Anthrcon's, there may be many less people cosplaying/suiting at Bronycon, meaning more room in the hotel rooms to cram an extra person...AC's main limiting factor is the space to put people. I just think that if Bronycon's attendance continually exceeds AC's, then it may end up being more acceptable to be a brony in the public light than a furry - the brony fandom goes through the same struggles we do, but if they hit that point of acceptance before we do, despite furries being around much longer, that just doesn't seem fair somehow.
I know this train of thought is a bit silly, but it's something I can't get out of my head.
Someone else's fandom should never be a reason for jealousy. I understand the feelign, of the need to 'pay your dues', but people will like what they like.
We think a lot of Bronies would like trying out Anthrocon, which is why we did a table swap, and are trying to make sure the brony folks know tha Anthrocon is here, fun, and likely very relevant to their interests.
It doesn't help that the glory days of new furry content accessible to most people were 20 years ago (Sonic the Hedgehog, the Disney Afternoon, etc.); MLP (and Littlest Pet Shop) AFAIK are the only new furry shows airing these days
I wasn't sure if it was a swap. That's very awesome. I-Con would do table swaps (they probably still do).
Crazy! They're a young event too.
BTW I just love the Anthrocon ad for the Brony Conbook....who created the art layout?
more bronies? well i have nothing against them they are anthrophorephics, i don't wanna see anthrocon turn into more of a brony con than a furry con
I, for one, welcome our new pony overlords.
As a brony myself, I don't entirely see AC turning into a Bronycon altogether, unless we actually see some of the people behind the show attend next year. As far as I think, there will still be all the people who attended this year that will attend next year and have fun.
As a brony myself, I don't entirely see AC turning into a Bronycon altogether, unless we actually see some of the people behind the show attend next year.....
If that were to happen, it really would end up a My Little Pony con. An onslaught of new-to-Anthrocon MLP fans, and a good proportion of the remaining potential attendees ending up not going.
How is that so? Just because say 2 of the voice actors show up, or are invited would not make anthrocon into a bronycon. It would mean that the 10-20% population (who knows the real number?) of anthrocon that currently is interested in the show would have 1 or 2 pannels to attend with the voice actors or writers.
Now, why would the rest of the attendee's not attend? That seem's rather extreme in the way of thinking towards this. Anthrocon is not turning into a bronycon, anthrocon is simply reaching out to another comunity with a similar interest and showing them that we are around and friendly.
This in and of itself is true. One or two panels from people that have canon interactio and influence with bronies would not turn Anthrcon into a brony con.
For the sake of conversation, however, let's say that such an announcement is made very early into Anthrocon 2014's planning. This would lead to a high number of bronies making early plans to come to AC (which would be the intent of such a move)...but remember that most of AC's panel content is user-driven; if a high number of bronies suddenly attend Anthrcon, they may find that they are not content with the one fan-run brony panel and would seek to run many additional panels as well. As it is now, one fan panel for bronies isn't enough to offput anyone. But ten or twelve might be. It might give some furs the notion (even if it would be a misconceived notion) that AC would be turning into a bronycon and might have some of those furs have reason to not attend.
Just playing devil's advocate on this one as to how things could possibly play out.
You make a excellent and well thought out point, though this would be my counter argument.
If there are aproximatly (I have not counted) 50 pannel's currently run at anthrocon. 1 of which is directed towards bronies and 49 towards other interestes. The number of panels per interest is really based on the number of people that enjoy that particular interest. If there are 10 writting pannels and 15 art pannels, thats because there are more artists than writers. As it is, there are many more people attending anthrocon that do not enjoy MLP:FIM than there are people that do enjoy it. So the programming would remain based on their numbers (all fan run of course).
Now, if the announcment should be made early on and lets say another 1,000 bronies show up to anthrocon, pushing us to aproximatly 7,000. My guess is around 2,500 would like MLP and 4,500 would not find it enjoyable. This means that the influx of bronies would cause an increase in the number of MLP related pannels, but that does not mean that other pannels would stop. The additional numbers would also allow anthrocon to expand into more of the upstairs rooms of the DLCC (4th floor) and expand even more.
So the number of pannels would increase from 50 to 65, now 16 pannels are MLP related but 49 are still related to gaming, artists, writers, musicians and so on.
So to wrap everything up, there would be no reason for anyone to not attend as there would still be plenty of content for non-fans of the show, but more for fan's of the show as well.
I would like to leave off on this point. Anthrocon is like a large family, we all need to take care of each other, tolorate one another, and accept that some things some of us like are not things we like, but that we should respect that they like those things. That being said, the bronies would be the same way and would be considerate of the things everyone who does not enjoy the show enjoys.
Thank you again for excellant point, I hope my counter argument made as much sense.
What would Carmen pony's cutie mark be? A money bag?
Probably either a map or whatever the logo for Rockapella is.
Mine is a spyglass over a globe... I've had this charatcer over a year but I don't know if this was intended to be towards me or not. no one told me.
well the hair color is clearly a different color
You know, I wrote an journal on my DA last year talking about why the furry and brony fandoms can not seem to get along with one another: http://axelwolf04.deviantart.com/journal/Why-bronies-and-furries-can-not-get-along-320251107
You see, some bronies and some furries want to make sure the fandoms stay fully seperated from one another and hate when bronies go to furry conventions and furries go to brony conventions. If lets say a lot of furries go to an brony convention, a lot of bronies can get very angry and well it can turn very nasty and vice versa if bronies go to an furry convention. They being furries will think that the two fandoms are becoming one which they do NOT want to happen. It can also affect attendence as well. If bronies show up at a furry convention, a lot of furries can end up cancelling going to the furry convention because they will feel that the convention is no longer a furry convention but either becoming another brony convention or a disgusting hybrid of the two which they do not want no part of. The same can be said if furries go to an brony convention. Bronies who do not want to interact with furries will cancel going to the convention. It is sad because the furry fandom will outlast the brony fandom because once MLP: FiM series is done (There will probably be other MLP series but none will reach the success of FiM), a lot of the brony conventions will start dying off until they will fade away like what happened to the Gargoyles fandom. I mean, do you honestly see the brony fandom being around 10 to 20 years after FiM is over with? I do have friends who are both furries and bronies and I want to see the two just get along, not be at each others throats.
This seems like a good place to repost this:
But there's also this:
(arguably a bit hypocritical as I don't think DA's hands/paws are that much cleaner than FA's).
The people who actively work to keep the fandoms separate...
They're called "Party Poopers"
I do have friends who are both furries and bronies and I want to see the two just get along, not be at each others throats.
Funny, that seems to be part of the reason Bronycon and Anthrocon did a table swap, y'know? As well as simply making the other convention's fanbase aware of the exisitence of another, georgraphically reasonably achievable, summertime convention that they may also wish to attend. Bronycon wants furries to attend, Anthrocon wants bronies to attend. And anime fans. and sci-fi fans. and normal people who just want to check something out. non?
I think, folks, that everyone is getting sidetracked on drama notions. This is a positive interfandom advertisement, targeted specifically at bronies. if we made up flyers for a gaming convention like PAX, we would probably show furries playing video games. For bookstores, we would emphasize our authors. Et cetera.
I truly have a feeling that the people who really get upset about the two mixing are in a vast minority. Most people I know or run into either don't care or are a member of both. In fact, browsing through the Dealer's Den and Artist Alley, I saw a lot of Pony-themed artwork. Some of it was in the auctions, as well. I don't think any cross-pollination will hurt either fandom in any real way.
My friend is a brony but also was a furry, first. He only really is active in the MLP fandom, though. I dragged him to a local furmeet and met another brony there. He organizes Pony meets himself (damn good ones, too) and floated the idea of doing a joint meetup sometime. I actually think it would be cool.
I saw that. Interesting thing is that MLP is anthro. They can be quad, but talking animals are anthro animals, to be sure.