how many are still in High school?? my classes start in one day-.-
Posted by Mordark (Mordark Leviathin) on Sun, 2007-08-19 09:49
 "do you deserve to live???" Location: Russell Kansas USA.
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I'm 15 gong into high school (freshman) and would like to know who else is in highschool if so. |
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My classes begin in a week, and I'm going to be a Senior this year.
1. We have about...800 or so in the high school. I believe.
2. Driver's ed is an after school thing. It's taught by the driver's school, but held in the HS
3. It's 2-3 miles away.
4. We don't have welding, but we do have wood shop
5. There are Close to 200 Seniors
6. A few friends know and I don't hide it, but I don't go around broadcasting it to the student body.
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1.My school's population is about the same size as yours. 150-200
2.The segments of drivers ed are held at the school, but it is not an actual school class. I have had my drivers and motorcycle licence for two years.
3.It is only about 7 miles from were I live
4.Mine had both at one time, but dropped them because of budget reasons.
5.I'm not sure maybe around 40-50
6.I wear tails and ears around the school a lot, and bring my fursuit whenever I get the chance, so people know I do that. However when I say that I am a furry it just confuses most people. They give me the "What the hell is a furry?" response.
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Dear lord, you want me to do what with that hairdryer!?
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permalinkLocation: Russell Kansas USA.
wow you're brave (or just plain stupid) U wear tail and ears during school? how often like on a daily basis? and your principal allows it? wow I think mine would flip if I did that
I'm only brave enough to attempt to wear ears and tail on hallow ween nonetheless on a daily basis.^^ did you make your fur? I didn't think some one this young could afford a fur, but hey I have a hobby with gaming so most of my money goes there, but not anything good coming out so I'm saving up currently have around $250 and I'm working two (family) jobs one's a gas station the other is at the farm live with parents so it's those jobs or I pay for gas to put in my S10 I think I would keep the jobs considering I can work after school at the station and it keeps the miles off mah truck
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don't let me sleep in or on ur lap/shoulder.... ur fried may nip, but I bite^^
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I wear a tail/ears to school maybe on a biweekly bases, and while I have gotten some strange questions, from other students mostly, about them I have never gotten into trouble. (My schools principal is good about dealing with the real problems and letting the little harmless stuff just be. Maybe the government should take some lessons from him.) The fursuit only goes to school on special occasions like holidays or homecoming, and even then I only have it on when it will not disrupt classes. As for the financial end of fursuiting, I do build my own suits which saves me a lot of money, and like you, I work two jobs to pay for the cost of living and having hobbies. Coincidentally, my first job is working on a farm, too! My second job however is keeping the computer networks at my school up and running while the systems admin sits on his rump and surfs the internet all day.
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I graduated High School a couple of years ago. My school had about 1200 students total when I graduated if I remember correctly.
My school didn't have drivers ed when I was there. There would have been too much demand for it, and the school was unequipped to teach it, though I have heard that they have been planning on putting it into place. Hence I only have a permit, but at least in my state, permits are valid photo ID - so yay me.
School was about 2 miles away. I took the school bus.
Our school doesn't have a shop program, but we did have some robotics courses. If we wanted to do any kind of auto or welding, we would have had to go to a type of trade school program.
My graduating class was something like 550. I was in like the top thirty of my class. (shameless self plug lol)
Back at high school plenty of people knew I was a furry. In fact - take a look at this old sci-fi publication I edited. Most of the writing is from my classmates, but I did all of the layout and design work. It turned out pretty good I think. You'll see what I mean there.
Of course, I'm out of high school now. I'm returning to my University shortly, where each class is as large as my entire high school. It's a medium sized school, but it tends to be rather selective.
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I graduated high school back in 1996! So here's some perspective on what things were like back then!
My high school had around 1,000 students. There were about 300 or so in my graduating class.
I took Driver's Ed. Got an A.
My high school was about 5 miles away from me. That was a 20 minute bus ride.
We had a wood shop, but not welding. I have fond memories of rebuilding lawnmower engines.
I didn't know I was a fur back in high school. In the time since I've graduated, though, I've learned that two more people I went to that school with were furs. And I met at least one fur who is from my old hometown. Funny how things work out.
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We need to start a gray-muzzle thread.
Graduated 1993, in a school of 500+ students from K - 12th.
Graduated in the largest class the school ever had, 13.
Took drivers Ed from a private company. just because we wanted the insurance discount. I spent my summers on a farm. From the age of 8 I was driving tractors and at 12 I was driving the farm truck hauling a trailer to load hay on. For me, drivers Ed was 2 hours-a-week of touring Baton Rouge and learning all the back roads.
No furs that I know of from my school, but then I haven't talked to more than 4 of them since graduation.
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permalinkDamn, Giza. I keep thinking your well and away older than I am. Hmm..
Honestly, it's probably because you're just so much more mature than myself. =^.^= In all seriousness though, Best I can figure it's just the fact that you've obviously very much a professional in your field. Kinda exude the 'I am an adult, fear the wrath of my maturity' aura.
Then again, being a salesperson in a distribution company probably can't help. Unbridled rage at stupid people tends to make you look a bit less in control of yourself and your surroundings.
On a much more on-topic note, I graduated in '98, a class of around 300 as well, Driver's Ed - check. 30-45 minute bus ride to the local Vo(Slow)-Tech, wherein I naturally studied PC's. (thankfully we had a teacher who taught us what was, at the time, college level equivalent).
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*snort* 1993 doesn't make you a grey muzzle; you need to pile on more years for that.
I graduated in 1998.
The upper school portion of my school has about 130, at the time. My graduating class was 36.
My school was too small to offer driver's ed; we all went to one of the public HS after school classes or to a private company for it. I took the classes, but never put in the hours, and i was 20 or 21 before my parents persuaded me to get a learner's permit. Driving has always been something i didn't want to do but eventually recognized the inevitability of learning.
My school was about a 20-minute drive away; i never knew how many miles it was.
The school had wood shop some of the time, depending on when one of the teachers had time to teach it. We had two periods in the schedule set aside for classes that weren't terribly academic and would benefit from longer periods two times a week instead of the standard schedule. At various times, those slots also origami, ropes course facilitation, ropes course construction, hiking...
At the time, i self identified as a dragon and wasn't fully aware of the furry community outside of the dragon community. I had friends who knew, and if they knew, probably everyone knew (no such thing as a secret in a school that size). Certainly they knew i had a strong interest in dragons. But i don't remember ever telling most of them.
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After AC i realized that anyone over the age of 30 is pretty much "Gray-muzzle". Couldn't have been more than 10% of us 30yo and up.
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Actually, doing the math, I'd say that 28% of our attendees were 30 years old and up.
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I didn't notice you had posted the "by age part" Thanks
Much larger number than I figured (obviously), but still puts anyone over 30 as a part of an age minority.
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Yeah, it was 3 levels deep in the menu and therefore not easy to find. I just changed the parent menu item to be "expanded" so that it will be a little more obvious whenever someone clicks on the About Anthrocon link now...
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Very interesting...gah Im such a newb, but Im learning! Bwhahahah!
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So since I just turned 30 and Im planning on going to AC '08, I would be considered a gray muzzle >.< ohhh...
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You are what you label yourself. Being a "graymuzzle" is a self-identifier, not what a bunch of 20-somethings say you are. I'm over 30 and definitely don't consider myself in that category.
The number of over-30s at AC, with the exception of 2007, has been remarkably consistent at 32% since age records started being published in 2004. This year it dropped to 28%, a bit surprising to me since I expected the fandom to age faster than it grew.
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Im definately not a gray muzzle then mwhahah besides I still look like Im 18 years old ^.^
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permalinkIncidentally, did anyone happen to swap words with the lone octogenarian at the con? (Floyd Norman making an advance visit, perhaps?)
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permalinkLocation: Russell Kansas USA.
ummmm... erm.... ack.... lets see how do I put this... WTF is a gray muzzle I'm lost O.o and in the first part of the discussion >.< but it's all good just calmly tell me....
*taps claw on the wooden bar/counter* just spill it already:3
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permalinkAn older fur. It refers to the tendency animals have of having their muzzles turn grey with age.
(At 55, I qualify.)
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ok that figures I guess I should have known better
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I guess I don't qualify cause I unlike a grey muzzle fur
(watch the video)... my muzzle won't turn grey for some time to come so I guess I don't have to worry
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permalinkI graduated high school in 2002. A New York City public high school.
There were armed guards from the NYPD that were assigned to patrol the halls.
We had to walk through bag scanners and metal detectors to get into the building...
...which didn't do much good since by fire code, no doors could be locked. So with a school that had 16 exit locations, kids would just get in, then open the doors from the inside for their fellows with the weapons. And the NYPD didn't have the manpower to give enough guards to watch every exit in every school in the city.
There were two shootings during the two and a half years I attended that particular school. Both happened in the afternoon when I had already left for the day.
And one knifing. Of a teacher.
Every Friday, the firemen would show up at the school. I would eventually find out that someone would ritualistically pull the fire alarm at the same time every week.
On a related note, before September 11, 2001, the school had four bomb threats in its history. After September 11, it skyrocketed to an average of three a week. Why? I have no idea, but a few teachers told me about it...
...and I'll note that I never knew about it before they told me because the school was never evacuated.
On 9-11, most of the kids that were in the building and still ditching class broke onto the roof to watch (someone brought in a radio and was listening to the news). While the school was located in Queens borough, there was still a distinct view of the Manhattan skyline.
The school had an attending class of 4200 students (the school was built in 1915 with the capacity of holding around 1500). There were approximately 1100 seniors. The graduating class was less than 300.
Of the senior class, 600 were "super-seniors", meaning they had been held back at least once before.
Of the senior, junior, and sophomore classes, there were approximately 250 students older than 18. Special emphasis on "sophomore". According to the principal, the school couldn't boot them out until they reached 21.
The school was divided into two schedules, for the upper two and lower to levels of students. I attended as a sophomore for my second semester, through graduation. Therefore I got the early schedule which started at 7am, and ended at noon. Sophomores and freshmen attended from noon to 5pm.
Lunch was only available for freshmen.
There was at least one gang clash just outside the school that I found out about because it was large enough to be on that night's news broadcast.
The windows were barred and bolted.
I took two buses (public buses, of course) to get to school, with a travel time of 1 hour and 20 minutes each way. I woke up at 5am every morning to get ready and leave on time (waking up that early wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for my after-school job which had me work from 1pm-6pm every weekday. You can guess how much free time I had).
Driver's ed wasn't offered.
Nor was metalworking or woodworking, since either flammable substances or sharp objects would be within reach of students.
I couldn't take chemistry since it was too crowded.
During my senior year, I had 3 classes that were taught in
retrofitted janitor closets.
Interestingly, I was bumped into several "advanced-placement" college-level classes since the normal ones were too crowded and I needed to meet the city's requirements to graduate on time.
And my father couldn't figure out why I refused to attend the graduation ceremonies. Oddly though, I still have a lot of fond memories. Some good friends and cool teachers go a long way to making life a lot more bearable when your school is run like a shabby prison.
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permalinklol this one is gonna bug you
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was home schooled for high school
1. class size 1
2. did we have driver ed yes my mom dropped me in a mall parking lot
3. distance to school 2ft.(my bed to my desk didnt even have to get out of my PJ's)
4. wood work yes (fence fixing counts right) id say no
5. other high schoolers in my grade none
6. have i told anyone I'm a fur ya
but now I'm in a tech school about to get a degree in applied science
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permalinkI'm a senior this year, but the school stats don't matter right now. What does is why havn't you told anyone your a furry?!? If your afraid of what will happen to you then belive me it could not be worse than what I literally just went through a few days ago. Let's begin my epic saga...I was like you, very hesitant to tell anyone that I was a furry...even my parents. But with some support through a fursuiting group on myspace that I'm a part of, I built up the courage to tell everyone. Well, I went and told everyone. I had seven friends that got knocked down to three, my girlfriend of two years broke up with me when I told her, my parents thought I was crazy, and my counselor advised me to take a pshyciatric evaluation... Think thats bad? Wait, it gets worse...Well a few days later my girlfriend and I got back together after I showed her the joys of fursuiting, now she's hooked and we plan on attending a con very soon together. Now I know what your thinking, "Thats not bad news..." Well thats cause I wanted to tell you the good news before I made you sad. Remember when I told you I had three good friends? well now I only have two, not because he thought I was weird or anything but because he died in a car accident. The other night he was driving home and his truck hit a patch of sleet and slid over an embankment. He was not wearing a seat belt and died at the scene, God bless Jace Holmes 1989-2007. But all-in-all this whole experience has made me a better person, I just wish it didn't take the cost of a friend to show me. What I'm trying to say is that there is nothing that could possibly be worse than what I went through, but i'm still here... So go ahead and tell your parents, friends, girlfirend, whoever! Just tell somebody and if they really care about you then they'll understand. Don't be afraid to stand up for what you do, besides whats the worst that could happen?
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damn the sleet that.. must suck to have lost a noble friend I also almost lost my life fell asleep in a ford ranger alone (my mother's truck) while driving and the trucker didn't swerve or nothin just kept on driving and the truck swithed lanes on me I almost hit him, but at the last moment woke myself up and pulled into the right lane as if nothing had happened I swore I would never drive that truck again after that near death exp. and guess what ^^ the transmission snapped in half about 1-3 weeks later so now it sits in the junk as a reminder and bad memory to me...
but I did tell I think it was just two really really really close friends and some how it just made things slightly creepier (already thought I was a creep) long story... was labled as an outsider a long time ago and that's how I fell into their catagory of outcasts, but I've found their type kinder and more generous/caring they just think I'm the super wierd one now and I just joined FFA today so now I plan on wearing ears/tail to a national FFA meeting and see how many suspicions I arouse ^^ woot won't that be a blast
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permalinkUnfortunately I'm still of the persuasion that what other people don't need to know, they shouldn't know. When one has a comfortable life with friends and close family, one does not need to needlessly complicate things with a vain urge to tell everyone one's personal business. It accomplishes nothing and risks a lot. In practical terms, it can at best be called a foolish decision.
However that is upon the topic of volunteering information. The next level would of course be a response should you be asked directly. In that case I'd say let your morals guide that one, but I stick with "what they don't need to know, they won't know". If it is my business, then I tell them as such, or lie if it is easier for them to accept.
I love my parents dearly. However, I never told them when I had a girlfriend. They never asked, and I never told. It was not deception, it was not lying, and it is not immoral to withhold information from those who do not need it. I keep everyone on a need-to-know basis. Information is not free, and nobody on this planet is entitled to a single word from my mouth (or yours) if I (or you) do not wish for them to hear it. And that is the bottom line.
As for the worst that could happen? Other than some of the things you listed, I happen to know a few people who ventured upon your path. Some examples would be...
1. Completely abandoned by their family
2. Beaten by family members/classmates
3. Kicked out of the house
4. Lost their job
5. Lost reputation in their job/social ring
6. Lost ALL friends
7. Divorced
And some choice examples special for the younger crowd..
8. Given up to foster care
9. Grounded until they were 18, then booted out of the house
10.Lost cell phone, internet access, and grounded so they'd be socially isolated until they moved out
11.Sent to a very narrow-minded psychologist and then committed.
All this...for having a fondness of cartoon animals, as if there were anything wrong with that. I'm fairly certain the media's spin on the topic has a lot to do with it.
However I will support anyone's decision to give this information out so long as they do it *smartly*. In other words, [for example] don't tell your mother out of some foolish sense of "she's my mother therefore needs to know everything in my life". Genetics and bloodline do not entitle her to anything (I'm quite sure you don't run and tell her every time you develop a hemorrhoid, and I'm sure she doesn't WANT to know either). If you're going to tell your mother, do it because she's cool, she loves you for who you are, and might take an interest in the topic herself. And the same applies to anyone else you might tell.
And remember with any situation and any topic that there is information you should share, and information you should not share. And generally speaking, unless they directly ask you, most people don't WANT to hear it anyway. Don't force it down their throats.
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I should mention I do know, also, quite a few people who told their friends and family about it, and nothing bad happened at all! And some of the senior staff of this convention (Kage and Giza especially) might tell you about all the parents who attend Anthrocon with their children and have a great time. (My mother might actually be interested in attending Anthrocon if I told her about it, but I wouldn't want her to catch me at some of the dealer's tables I visit)
I'm not trying to infer that telling people about your furryness is going to ruin your life. I'm not trying to infer anything like that. I just wanted to remind you that there are consequences for your actions, and be prepared for what might be a very drastic change in your life because of it. Once you let the word out, there is no pulling it back.
And if you absolutely must tell your parents, wait until you've moved out and are independent. If they do have a bad reaction towards you for it, then at least they can't do much about it besides disown you. Oh yeah, that'd be #12...
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I hear what you're saying, and i agree in some respects--we have a right to our privacy, and that includes picking and choosing who gets to know what about us. If you really feel that knowing something is more likely to hurt someone else than to help them, then maybe it is best that you keep that information to yourself for now. Every day, kids go through really awful stuff, including all of the stuff you mention, because their families can't accept the idea that a relative is lesbian, gay, transgendered, bisexual, or queer. And certainly there are some furs who've had some pretty adverse reactions when they've told about their furriness. If not talking about it long enough to find a better (safer?) place to live is what it takes, that's what it takes.
However--and i really feel strongly about this--i truly believe that for furries, a lot of this comes down to spin. This is not LGBTQ stuff--it's an interest in anthropomorphics. Even being transspecies (one species living in the body of another) can be ok most of the time, if you know how to handle it gracefully.
In my work i did as a teen, helping to guide a youth group, one thing i learned is that a lot of teens *really* know how to freak their parents out over nothing. One gathering where we'd held a blessing circle (each person takes a piece of fruit from a plate, says a blessing over it, and feeds it to the person next to them) was explained only as, "Friday night we were part of a pagan ritual." The parents of that teen were worried we were summoning demons or something. On another occasion, we explained about a confidentiality rule on retreat (we asked them not to go home and tell the world who said what about their boyfriend, not unlike what rules in group therapy sessions). One teen came home and, when asked, informed her parents that she wasn't allowed to tell them anything about what they did all weekend. Understandably, they hit the roof.
Common sense is important here, folks. If you're not transspecies, skip the part about transspecies people. If you are transspecies, don't start acclimating your family to yourself with that part. Tell your family about how you like cartoons and cartoon characters. Tell them about some of your friends, and about the conversations you have and the games you play (just the clean ones). Show them art you really like. Explain about your concern for animal welfare and conservation issues. If you think that the CSI episode might be an issue, just don't bother using the term "furry" for a while. There are plenty of other words to describe it.
If you get to the point where you want to start sharing about being transspecies (assuming that you are), don't bother sitting them down for "the talk"; try just referring to yourself as a kitty or a foxy or whatever, or referring to your hands as paws, just as if they already knew. There is some experiential evidence to indicate that if we treat things like they're no big deal, others will respond in kind.
Most (if not all) of the parents i've known have felt like they want to know what's going on in their kids' lives; it makes them feel safer, and it allows them to feel included. You just have to know what kinds of words are most likely to make them panic, and avoid using those words. Kage's interviews are a wonderful example of this, if you've ever heard him do them. It's all a matter of diplomacy.
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permalinkI see what you're saying, and agree with much of it. However, as for...
I would just like to reiterate, as I myself said in my post...
While my wording was very inaccurate and too broad in scope (since I know that "furry" differs per person), it was my quick attempt to describe the core interest. That interest is in itself completely harmless and really that was what I was trying to communicate.
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Yeah, i know. The fact that furry is a pretty darn innocuous community to get involved in as unusual communities go, is something we definitely agree about. I don't know of a furry who'd say otherwise (if they thought otherwise, why would they be a part of the community?).
My concern is more that even though we furries believe that there's nothing wrong with being a furry, we often treat it like there is something wrong. We hide it from everyone we can, and when we tell people, we tell them about it like it's some big deal thing that they should be worried about. This is especially true of our families.
And in so doing, i think we miss some opportunities to share about all of the things we love about our community. For most furs i've known, the best part of furriness is being among a bunch of folks who care as much about animals and cartoons as you do, who immediately make you feel welcome and don't mind if you're a little weird, who just kind of get where you're coming from, most of the time. The best conversations i've had with furries have had little or nothing to do with sex and everything to do with spirituality or art or just plain silliness. Why shouldn't our offline families get to hear about that part of our lives, if we can comfortably share that?
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permalinkYes, I totally agree. That was the one thing that I totally forgot to mention in my post. You most definately should not tell people unless it's a necessity for them to know. my bad guys....
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permalinkLocation: Russell Kansas USA.
I have told my parents that I'm a fur and they don't mind cause they respect my better judgement and I had to tell them cause they watch my every move like hawks and if I didn't tell them they would immediately catch on and get the wrong idea (I told them that no fur is gay and CSI is full of shit and that all furs are as a matter of fact strait) I know that's not true, but otherwise they would have freaked out so... heh I told them that I would only come for the (video/fur) games anime and special hosts sept I said that there was nothing to do with furs in the events that I was interested in so *smirks* nothing bad happened and they could care less if I was gay trans or otherwise just so long as I satified their expectations (live a normal life and get a damn job) and so long as I followed common sense and those guide lines they where happy^^ my parents are totally understanding and cool with the whole con Idea, but if they found out that I was gonna actually spend $1600 on just a fur suit they would probably kill me (just a figure of speech) besides they just don't want me to go to far over my head in this business or get more than I expected so long as I know what I'm getting myself into and don't end up like 2-D in the video below and feel good inc. being AC
(as a metaphor)
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2667750
or AC turning out to be hostile like the video for the Gorillaz in Clint Eastwood and being screwed out of vacation for something that I don't like and it becoming a bad memory
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2786058
but I have all sources researched that AC would be the perfect environment for my enjoyment^^
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i'm i6 nad start school next week. in answer to your questions:
1. there 1500 people in my school
2. no
3. it's about 10 miles to my school but you can get there
in 15 mins by car or bus
4. you can do wood but we dont have welding
5. there are over a hundred people in my grade
6. hell no i havn't told anyone i like my life the way it
is thanks!
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permalinkI'm a senior now. School has been going for a week now.
1. My school has a total of 35 people.
2. Nope, we take it outside of class with taggarts or another similar company.
3. Well with traffic it's about 50 minutes to an hour. Without its about 30 or so minutes. But note thats half the trip on the highway. On the streets its about an hour and a half without traffic and 2 hours with traffic at least.
4. Yes, but we take woodworking in 9th grade and i took blacksmithing, not welding, in 10th.
5. 8 including me.
6. :shrugs:
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