Westin Hotel nearly full -- Wednesday sold out.

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As of January 7, 2008, the Westin hotel is 92% full, and there are no more rooms available for Wednesday, June 25. There are still options, however, if you want to arrive on Wednesday.

- The luruxious Omni Hotel just two blocks away has plenty of rooms at this time. You can book a room there just for Wednesday, or even for your entire stay, since it is an easy walk away. This is the most recommended option!

- There are always cancellations occurring. You could book your stay for a Thursday arrival, and continue to try the Westin either online or by phone and see if any rooms have opened up on Wednesday.

- We anticipate a certain number of cancellations at the end of April when the room deposit is due, although we have no idea how fast the rooms that are freed will be snapped up.

Anthrocon apologizes for the Wednesday inconvenience. A group that is going to be in town just ahead of us still has many of the rooms on Wednesday night, so we are unable to expand our block any further. We've made certain that in future years we will have plenty of rooms available on Wednesday night.

Please note! Once this announcement is made, the remaining rooms are bound to go fast. If you try to make a reservation and are told that there is no availability, try different nights, or removing any restrictions such as room type. If you still cannot make the reservation, remember, the gorgeous Omni still has tons of room for all!

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Alondro's picture
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Wow...

Uhm, have we filled the hotel even faster than last year? O_o

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Yeah, it seems so. You know, people have been reluctant to *seriously* discuss the matter, but Anthrocon may have to eventually find itself a membership cap. There's only so many hotels in the area, so many volunteers and staff that work for the con, and only so many restaurants and other establishments that can sustain the con-goers for four days.

While the DLCC itself has nearly limitless room for us to grow, the logistics of running a convention will be astronomically more complex with increased attendance. And each room alloted to us by the DLCC and the hotel itself only has so much room for each panel. Only so much room in the hallways, in the dealer's den, and so on and so forth. It can be hard enough to find people at the con, to have elbow room at the con, etc. Whatever the number is, there IS a limit to how large we can get.

As attendance grows the hotel will fill up faster, sooner (was the point I was originally going for before I got sidetracked). Of course, I admit this is the business and prerogative of the staff of AC and not myself, but I hope the matter is taken seriously and *eventually* discussed between them. If it has been done so already, I apologize but have not heard about it.

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It has been discussed, and at length. It's not going to happen anytime soon.

I ask the same question of everyone who tells me that we should cap membership. "Very well. We'll cap membership at 3000. What are you going to say when you're number 3001?"

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"I should have registered sooner." I'm sure a lot of people trying to register for Feral tell themselves that every year. Someday if I ever get the resources to do three cons I'd love to try that too...

I say something similar to my friends when I hear from them, "oh noes the hotel is booked solid! What should I do?"

*edit* Just wanted to add that I'm relieved to hear it is something that has been discussed. If the powers that be have decided it isn't a problem, then so be it. It may be vain of me to take such a position on the matter in the first place, but it is a relief to hear that the staff takes such concerns seriously even if they don't think it has any merit.

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It is a fond hope of mine to someday do EuroFURence. It WAS a hope that the day would be this year, but it shall not come to pass; EuroFURence can only accomodate about 620 or so, and this year, registration (necessary to get a room at their host hotel) was filled in LESS THAN A DAY. Do not bother to try for EuroFURence THIS year!

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I hear great things about EuroFURence, but I really don't think I'll ever try to go. While I have a fine enough grasp of the English language, I cannot *for the life of me* learn five words in any other language. And I'd rather not be another arrogant American tourist asking "Hey! You! Do you speakie the English??" And it's easy enough for me to make an *arse* out of myself here in the 'States, so I can't imagine going overseas and not having that home-field advantage. I'm likely to start an international incident.

I might try Feral, because I hear Canadians are very forgiving. And someday I hope to make MFF, so I could get a 4-con cycle going. I've already got AC and FC under my belt for regular attendance.

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The official language of Eurofurence is English. Most of the folks there speak it better than many Americans I know!

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I bet it has something to do with the fact that Germany is much closer to England than the United States is.

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Actually, Eurofurence offers some "non-hotel" memberships. Also, they might get cancellations. I'd keep trying if I were you!

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I would very much disagree with your assertion. According to Google Maps, I count at least eight hotels in the downtown Pittsburgh area that are both within walking distance of the DLCC and within Anthrocon attendees' price range. Convention facilities? We currently use Hall C - that's 45,100 square feet. Taking Halls A, B, and C together (and by the way, you can open up the airwalls to make it one continuous hall), that's 20% of the available space on the third floor of the Convention Center. Panel rooms? We're using 7 rooms right now, out of the available 52 rooms on the third and fourth floors of the Convention Center. The limitations are not going to be due to facilities.

Yes, the logistics increase, but the staff and infrastructure increases as well to handle those logistics. Keep in mind that while Anthrocon is a huge convention by furry standards, in overall fandom standards it's still considered a relatively small and quaint convention. Consider: Anime Central in Chicago had an attendance in 2007 of 12,769, all with a volunteer staff. Anime Boston had 9,354. Worldcons held in the United States average about 5,500 attendees, all organized by volunteers. (Dragoncon gets over 30,000, but they have a paid core staff.)

In my own personal opinion, unless the facilities are limiting but so good you don't want to move away from them (cf. CONvergence in Minneapolis), membership caps are bad business for a convention and an even worse logistical hassle. By sensibly growing the infrastructure (which the Anthrocon Board continues to do, from what I have seen), Anthrocon could easily double in size and still have a lot of room to grow. Really, the only limiting factor is furry fandom itself - just how many furry fans are willing to travel to a convention? That's a subject for a different thread, though Smiling

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I meant to ask something about the hotel earlier...someone in another thread saying something that the *normal* rate of a hotel room from the Westin is like $300 a night? Do you guys really get the price down THAT much for the con? o.O Or did I just read that wrong?

Anyway, I didn't doubt the ability of the DLCC to accommodate us, just that the convention would eventually get mind-boggling to attend for the convention-goer in terms of getting around and being able to find people/places/events.

As for the staff side, I'm impressed to hear that cons of a 12k magnitude manage with an all-volunteer staff. How much time does the staff get to enjoy the con? Does the chairman of that con get to enjoy the con too?

I have a tremendous amount of respect for the staff and volunteers of this and every other furry con, but I wouldn't want them to get run ragged *without* being able to enjoy the fruits of their own labor Smiling Especially if it's just for the principle of "we can do this because someone else did it bigger". The con is there for all of us (except badge #3001 Eye-wink ).

When I request time off at work, I tell my boss it's for a family reunion. For me, that's precisely what it is. The faces and names I see at AC are like distant relatives I haven't seen in years. The good, the bad...and the *creepy Uncle nobody likes to talk about* Eye-wink Trust in people aside (like a recent 2 rant, I'm not that ignorant of people), they are my extended family. And it simply wouldn't do to have members of my family working HARDER on vacation than they do in their normal lives just so that they can get drunk Sunday night and proclaim "We did it again" then pass out hoping to forget all the stress they put themselves through.

Promise me you guys won't work too hard? Smiling

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$300 a night? Do you guys really get the price down THAT much for the con? o.O Or did I just read that wrong?

$300+ is the rate for the few remaining rooms. The last rooms to sell are always extremely pricey; it's the law of supply and demand. The usual "rack rate" for the Westin at that time of year is in the range of $175 to $200.

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Anyway, I didn't doubt the ability of the DLCC to accommodate us, just that the convention would eventually get mind-boggling to attend for the convention-goer in terms of getting around and being able to find people/places/events.

Some people think we hit that point when we had 2000 attendees. When it gets to be a problem, we'll deal with it. For now, though, our model seems to be working well enough for the majority of folks.

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and the *creepy Uncle nobody likes to talk about*

You mean Uncle Kage?

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You mean Uncle Kage?

No, of course not! Exk was talking about their Uncle Bob who thinks he's a carrot.

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Actually, no, it's worse. He thinks he's Carrot-top!

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"As for the staff side, I'm impressed to hear that cons of a 12k magnitude manage with an all-volunteer staff. How much time does the staff get to enjoy the con? Does the chairman of that con get to enjoy the con too?"

Some of us (myself included) actually get a lot of our enjoyment out of working at the con. I go to 3 (and now possibly 4 cons a year) and I work all of them. AC I work on the Charity Auction and Masquerade staff, takes up 3-4 hours of my day on Friday, and most of my day on Saturday (though if we get more volunteers it will take up less of my day on Saturdy)leaving me with my Thursday night, Friday afternoon through night, and all of Sunday free, which does just fine for me.
Now the other two cons I go to and the possible 4th are a diffrent story as I work with the Dorsai at those cons, they work the schedule in such a way that if there is certain blocks of time you want/need off they accomodate you, but overall you wind up working fairly solid through the weekend (the age old addage applies "If your off duty and you aint sleepin, then your on duty")

Those are my two cents.
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As for the staff side, I'm impressed to hear that cons of a 12k magnitude manage with an all-volunteer staff. How much time does the staff get to enjoy the con? Does the chairman of that con get to enjoy the con too?

Usually as much or as little as they care too. Its just a question of working with those who are scheduling work shifts.

But most who volunteer the joy of being at the convention is working it. You often get to the point after you've been to a couple of hundred convention that just attending gets old. So you start working the convention and get a whole new take on the goings on.

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But most who volunteer the joy of being at the convention is working it.

Raises hand --that would be me. I am willing to pay to work a convention. It's fun, you meet people, and you get to see lots of smiling faces because everyone is having fun.

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I am willing to pay to work a convention

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Kage! I think we can balance the budget this year!

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Pittsburgh's geography is strange and those hotels within "walking distance" might not actually be.

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I guess that depends on what you define as walking distance plus walking distance at midnight tends to be considerably shorter than walking distance at noon.

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I want to second and verify Tom's remarks.

Anthrocon isn't small by convention standards, but it's nowhere near as big as the convention and hotels facilities will allow. So long as you don't have the requirement that the entire convention attendance and function rooms are in the same building, it's relatively easy find facilities that will let you get up to 10,000. Once you get beyond that, you start having to look at major convention cities, eg, Atlanta (Dragoncon), Las Vegas, and so forth.

In many ways the staffing is comparatively easy to scale up. The hardest part is to get qualified department heads for art show, conops, registration, etc. But once you do, their expertise and skills are multiplied by their core helpers and multiplied again by the semi-skilled volunteer staffs.

To cite the example I know best, security: last year the Dorsai brought in a bit over 40 staffers. Of those 40, 30 are qualified to be supervisors of one type of another. If Anthrocon were to grow to 5,000 or so, we'd stop putting those supervisors on door duty and start relying more on on-site or recruited volunteers. Relatively simple things like badge check can be pushed down to those volunteers, freeing the supervisors to become rovers (floor walkers and visible deterrent). With more rovers, door watchers can immediately refer problems up the chain and thus don't require the same skill level as we need now.

Anthrocon has some additional scaling benefits. It tends to run a relatively small number of functions in large rooms. Having 5,000 people in the ballroom means only one or two more badge checkers than we need for 1,500.

More scaling advantages come when you can book 100% of a facility. In the near future, Anthroncon might be able to book 100% of the hotel. When that happens, you no longer need to do door check at function rooms. You move it to the hallways, escalators and elevators folks use to get to the rooms, with the rovers doing spot-checks for ghosts. The half-dozen or so entry points to the hotel function space require far fewer checkers than the 30+ doors into function rooms.

Similar things apply to art show, registration, dealers, etc: doubling and tripling the attendance requires significantly smaller increases in staff.

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Brat. *rollseyesandgrins*

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Similar things apply to art show, registration, dealers, etc: doubling and tripling the attendance requires significantly smaller increases in staff.

*nodnodnods* The only significant logistical change i (in my unabashed ignorance) can see on the horizon right now is that there may come a time when we can't fill out the staff solely by word of mouth. At that point, we may need to put some note somewhere about contacting the heads of various programming about trading staff time, with their approval, for a workgrant that covers registration. Basically, that's what we do now, except that we'd be inviting folks to ask staff, instead of staff only asking other folks. Or, as steve says, they may need to make changes in the job structure so that more jobs can be filled by volunteers they only meet five minutes before they start working.

Either sort of change might impose its own structural shifts, of course. By the time some change in staffing procedures is needed, it may be that staff have come up with their own entirely different solution to getting the furpower they need. It may even be that different areas of staffing need to handle the change in different ways, depending on the type of work before them.

For now, it seems like our staff are doing just fine with the system they have in place. If they decide that they need to make changes in their approach in order to continue the service they've been giving us so far, i have every faith that they'll figure out for themselves what those changes are and how best to implement them. *smiles*

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I would very much disagree with your assertion. According to Google Maps, I count at least eight hotels in the downtown Pittsburgh area that are both within walking distance of the DLCC and within Anthrocon attendees' price range.

As someone familiar with Downtown Pittsburgh I would say that at least one of those hotels is not in a good location. There has been an increase, in recent years, in the number of hotels close to the convention center but there still aren't enough hotels to accommodate the maximum number of people who could potentially attend a convention at DLCC. (At least this is the main complaint I hear.) That being said, I attended a WorldCon in Philadelphia and we had to walk several blocks to get to our hotel from the convention center. I didn't see this as a problem. Anyone who wants to come to Anthrocon will be still be able to find a hotel room. It might not be as convenient as staying in the Westin but still there are hotels that are not too far away. On the whole I agree that there is no need to cap attendance.

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As attendance grows the hotel will fill up faster, sooner...

Maybe we'll end up like GenCon, which sells out its main hotel in two weeks. Yow.

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While the DLCC itself has nearly limitless room for us to grow, the logistics of running a convention will be astronomically more complex with increased attendance.

Not necessarily. If the implemented methodologies are scalable, the responsibilities for 3000 people are not much harder - and in some cases easier - than they were in 1997 with 400 people. It's all about clockwork. Build smartly, use good materials and resources, and the same architecture that makes a wristwatch can also support Big Ben.

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*pictures a 13-ton bell on his arm* o.o

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There are always cancellations occurring. You could book your stay for a Thursday arrival, and continue to try the Westin either online or by phone and see if any rooms have opened up on Wednesday.

Looks like it's sold out for Thursday-Sunday, any bed type Sad

Will they be expanding our block, or am I stuck waiting for a cancellation, arranging to share (too introverted/private for that), hiking from the Omni, or seeing what the Courtyard Marriott's rates are?

Ron

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No, we cannot expand the block any further. You'll have to try one of those alternative plans!

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well, I figure it wont be done yet in time for the con, but is there any news yet on the second hotel tower? I remember last year they said it wouldnt be done in time for the 2007 event, but thats a full year ago that they said that. Curious if things have taken a turn for the better yet.

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These things take time, even before the first shovelful of dirt is turned. The new tower will not be complete before 2010.

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>>>Anthrocon has some additional scaling benefits. It tends to run a relatively small number of functions in large rooms. Having 5,000 people in the ballroom means only one or two more badge checkers than we need for 1,500.

O_O

Do not even joke about having 5,000 people at AC. Trying to arrange stuff for close to 3000 is scary enough!

*runs around screaming*

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