Dance Suggestion

Gushousekai195's picture
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I've always wondered if I could suggest a dance during the day as a panel, but I don't think I'm allowed and all dances are probably restricted to times when I should be sleeping.

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Depends on what you mean

Dex has run daytime how to dance in fursuit panals, and Rory has run a How to DJ panal, Smiling

Gushousekai195's picture
"One of the several artists in the Freaks! Movement - that's what I am!"

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But, what about the real dancing?

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You are more than welcome to suggest it, but I'm afraid it's not feasible. We need the space in the ballroom for other programming during the day. There is not enough time to remove chairs and then re-set them (not to mention that it costs us money every time a chair is shifted).

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You know.. What if you had your own local union staff? because mainly all the complaining around hear, Is mainly about all the non union workers that do the same job. What if you had your own union convention staff. Then they really couldn't say something about a non union person doing the job?

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I'm not sure AC is in a position to pay for any staff, union or otherwise. That's why all of the board members are volunteers.

Also, it doesn't seem like you could employ a proper union staff as casual workers (read: not year-round), and AC really only needs them for a week or so. Even if we could, the hotel may also have a contract that says that their union workers get the work, so that those union folks can't get stiffed by every wandering group that comes through. After all, the hotel has probably guaranteed all full-time workers that they'll get enough work hours to secure a proper full-time paycheck, which they can't easily do if they can't at least partially predict the amount of work they'll have to do.

I know it seems like a big pain in the butt, but really, it's good. A lot of it is just there to protect against some of the shadier practices that were used in the early 20th century to avoid paying for all those little luxuries--sick leave, pensions/401-k, medical benefits, a 40-hour work week... *grin*

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Because Anthrocon, Inc. is 100% volunteer-run. We have no employees. If we did, we would have to pay wage taxes, social security taxes, workman's compensation taxes, pay a payroll firm to do our accounting for us, and deal with management-vs-labor issues like work stoppages and grievances and contract negotiations and such.

We'd have to raise your membership fee quite a bit to cover all that.

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If you sub contact the work all you would be really paying is the wage for the time they was working.

I was just tossing some ideas out there.

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Simply put, we are and shall be working with the Union staff. We have very few if any complaints about the union staff themselves; while we might complain about the neccessity of them doing thing X or Thing Y instead of Anthrocon's own volunteer staff, dealing with the union is the situation we knew would arrive when we moved to the DLCC.

Let's get this thread back to discussing the Dance, please.

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Wait . . . I'm not getting paid?

Crap!

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Your paycheck is in the bottle on the table.

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Ooo, I feel better already.

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Be honest: you won't feel better until you empty the bottle. Then you may not notice there's no check in it...

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Probably no check, but my guess is that that bottle will have a worm at the bottom of it. Eye-wink

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*hangs head in disappointment*

I don't understand. What about all the people who go to bed around ten p.m.?

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Look at it this way: any convention has a limited set of resources: people, space, time. The object is to deploy those resources to benefit the maximum number of attendees. For instance: What percentage of attendees like polka music? What percentage of attendees like house music? So, of these two groups, whom do you cater to?

I am sure that Anthrocon wishes that it could accommodate people who like to go to bed early. It would probably also like to accommodate people who like Celtic music or people who want panels on ballet dance of the 1940's. In the end there's only so much space, so many people, and so much time to work with and you just can't fit it all in.

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Gushousekai195's picture
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Then, there's no space for anything new?

I want to dance... where everyone is watching. Sad

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There's always space for something new.

We just don't have the ability to hold a dance any earlier in the day than we already do, for reasons already explained.

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At least not in the kind of full-scale way we do at night. If all someone wanted was a small room where they could set up a boom box, i imagine that would be doable, but it would beg the question of whether some other event might be a better draw for that space, given all the dancing at night.

This does seem like a special moment, tho; never before have i heard a fur asking if we can help him go to bed early.

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I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess you've never been to a con before.

I say this because sleep is a fleeting dream at Anthrocon, one that strikes mysteriously and randomly. By all means, you get a lot less than you should and it's just fine. You should be focusing on having fun and enjoying yourself, not sleeping.

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":D!"

I wasn't going to say anything, but I was kinda confused by the mention of 'con' and 'bedtime' in the same thread.

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You need the energy to have fun.

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*chuckles and nods* Some folks tolerate sleep deprivation a lot better than others.

In college, i had a friend who discovered very quickly that she needed to be very careful about her sleep schedule. Even a small temporary variation in the amount of sleep she got--the kind we do at cons all the time--would leave her confused, jittery, and unable to think clearly. A few short nights could leave her weeping on the floor over some little worry.

But then i've also had friends who could pull a couple of all nighters without much effect. *shrugs*

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Gonna take another shot in the dark and say that you've never been to a nightclub/party of this sort?

For whatever reason, most people want to go out to dance at night. That's sorta how it works. Dancing for hours on end is an exhausting and day-ending activity, doing it too early would wear people out, not to mention that you feel like an alcoholic taking part in beveraging and dancing around earlier on in the day.

Not that anyone shows up to the dance intoxicated, of course. Srsly.

I'm sure that the people running AC would love to cater to your needs, but the bottom line is I don't think many people would show up for a dance around 5-6pm. That's sorta a grade school feel.

Just my two cents.

For what it's worth, the con's generally a time to get out there and do stuff you normally don't do. I'd say nix the bedtime and come out at night, it's a lot of fun.

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Try this: Wake up late, stay up later than usual.

Caffeine might help too lol. By the time you're there, you'll probably be having fun enough that you'll stay up for the dancing. Think of it like new years or something. Practically everyone else will be awake, even those with somewhat early bedtimes, because, heck, Anthrocon is fun.

Then again, I'm also used to staying up sorta late (2am usually), and getting up for class (8 - 9am usually), so maybe that won't work for you or whatever.

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Won't I miss something?

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Possibly.

If you look at last year's schedule, though, you'll notice that KP didn't schedule anything to happen before 10AM, and even those are a little on the sparse side. Most of the programming really picked up around 11.

That means that if you wanted, you could go to sleep at midnight, get a whopping 9 hours of sleep, get up at 9, and still have an hour to shower, throw on some clothes, and get some breakfast before the earliest events even started. I don't think there weren't any early events that required punctuality last year, either, so if you got in a little bit late, i don't think it would be a big deal.

I think that's pretty nifty.

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just like me I work all week and I usually up til about 12 to 1am than I have to get up 5 and be out the door for work by 5:30am so I am used to it done it for a long time XD

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You're still in high school, aren't you?

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Yes, I'm still in high school. I happen to be a senior and have had my sights set on Anthrocon since last summer vacation. My Anthrocon trip has become my gift for graduation.

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Oh man, I had a worse sleep schedule in high school than I do in college by a long shot. I can honestly say without a doubt that I had more work in high school than I do in college a lot of the time. Plus in high school I had to wake up by 6:30am, but I still went to sleep by oh-say 2 or 3am.

<Sarcastic>Yay for horrible sleep schedules!</Sarcastic>

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find a way to schedule your sleep pattern around events on the schedule. You can get an idea of how things are programmed from last year's schedule, and this year's schedule (once it's posted) and then figure goto bed at 1am, wake up at 9am = 8 hrs of sleep, or something like that.

You could even theoretically practice sleeping that way after school stops, if anthrocon begins after school ends for you.

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I was much the same way, if you compared my senior year in HS to my senior year in college, but that was more by design.

You see, by the spring of my sophomore year, i was working a standard full schedule (no extra classes or credits), not doing much socializing, and still pulling an all-nighter about once a week. So i finally went to the dean and told her i just couldn't do that anymore. She said, "You're right; that makes no sense, and we've been hoping you could spend more time on each of your projects anyway. So go take fewer credits each term and be happy."

Life was much better after that. *smiles*

Fennecus is righ, though--the event schedule is pretty forgiving of people who want to get a good night's sleep; it just isn't designed for morning people.

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This seems to be a good place and time to mention
Doc Passovoy's 5/2/1 Law of Conventions,

Get at least 5 hours of sleep per night,
Eat at least 2 balanced meals per day.
Take 1 shower per day.

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Just to be correct, it's the 6/2/1

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6/2/1.. does that mean 6 hours to drink 2 hours to get home and 1 hour to sleep? Heard about that at last AC ^_^.

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That's a joke right?

8 hours of sleep a night, 2 FULL meals a day/1 shower only if you magically don't break a sweat in the middle of Pittsburg mid-July and 2 recommended.

On sleep...what are people doing the other 18 hours in a day? I wake up at 8am, go to sleep close to midnight because I'm exhausted by then. If you're staying up late for the dances, sleep until 9 or even possibly 10.

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These are minimum medically recommended numbers, via Doctor Robert Passovoy, a long time Chicago fan and all around great guy. MORE is better, but if you can hit these numbers, you should not end up passed out and twitching come Saturday night.

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The 6 and 2 are medically necessary.

The 1 is not medically necessary, but is nonetheless a social imperative.

desteredra's picture
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And, to some extent, subject to some variation. Some folks' sweat glands are more eager than others, as any serious social dancer (swing, cajun, contra, etc.) can attest. For some folks, 2 showers might be a better idea, especially in the middle of summer. *wrygrin*

As a rule of thumb, though, i wouldn't do less than that 1 unless a doctor has told you to (which does occasionally happen). We like to limit biological warfare at the con.

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You had more work to do in high school than in college?! I'm in high school and I still go to bed on time after finishing all my homework.

You aren't a slacker, are you?

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That was for FennecusKitsune.

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I'd like to think I wasn't too much of a slacker in high school.

In high school I was in something called the "IB program" during my junior and senior year. This stands for the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme. This is the highest level of classes that you can take there. Think of it as taking an AP class, but more difficult. I had a 9 period day, with an alternating odd/even day schedule that amounted to something like 8 classes or so, since some classes met for two periods, and some also alternated. I could only take 4 Higher level IB classes a year, so the rest were Standard Level IB, AP, or regular high school electives (plus gym and lunch - which oddly enough alternated for me). Also I stayed after school nearly every day for a couple of hours doing extra curricular activities, such as the school's newspaper, sci-fi magazine, computer club, technology honor society... and the list goes on.

Basically this schedule spelled out pain for me in high school, since I usually had a ton of homework, projects in every class all the time, tests to worry about, and the clubs I was in. I usually was at school from 7am to about 4pm, and then arrived home around 4:30. After that, I usually chilled out for a while before dinner at 5 or 6, and then did homework generally for the rest of the night, and if I had projects or just a lot of work, it wouldn't be strange for me to stay up to sometime around 3am or later.

I finally finished that insane schedule and made it to college, where I have about 4 classes a semester, and they're in subjects I actually like (mostly computer science and art), and are not forced on me. Classes here generally only meet 2 or 3 days a week for me, so I get 2 classes a day usually. Sure, it's lots of projects and work, but it's all due on a weekly cycle usually instead of a daily one. Food is prepared, people are friendly, and it's overall more fun to be here. I slack a bit more here in college, but I have the time to generally.

So there you have it, a short history of the past four years of my school experiences.

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I think most people will tell you that they do more work and feel more stressed in high school than college.

College is like a cruise ship after you've travelled across the atlantic in a leaky tub.

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What about all the homework and reading? You do get more reading in college you know.

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That totally depends on what you're taking, and what you define as reading. I have next to no actual reading in the traditional sense at all. I'm a computer science major, and the most reading I do, is when I read reference material for programming projects generally, but I don't feel like that's reading. It's more like looking things up.

Textbooks are another story though. You suddenly have to pay for them (which I've never had to do in high school, since they'd just loan them out to us) and they're expensive. Again, they're mostly reference, and used for problem sets and what not. Extra non-assigned reading can be really helpful too though, so I guess I shouldn't count that out.

However, classes with reading are classes with reading, and there is sometimes a lot depending on the class. Since there are fewer classes in college than in high school, there is less reading as far as classes go as a whole, but generally more reading in each individual class than you would have in a high school class I suppose. It's sort of a qualitative vs quantitative thing when it comes down to it. Plus, there are other factors too.

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Textbooks are another story though. You suddenly have to pay for them (which I've never had to do in high school, since they'd just loan them out to us) and they're expensive. Again, they're mostly reference, and used for problem sets and what not.

They really do cost an arm and a leg, don't they? If you're lucky, you can sell them back for about 1/3 of what you paid, but it got so i pretty much expected to drop about $150 a semester in books and supplies. A lot of folks end up needing a job to cover the expense.

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However, classes with reading are classes with reading, and there is sometimes a lot depending on the class. Since there are fewer classes in college than in high school, there is less reading as far as classes go as a whole, but generally more reading in each individual class than you would have in a high school class I suppose. It's sort of a qualitative vs quantitative thing when it comes down to it. Plus, there are other factors too.

Oh, my, yes. Where i went, the standard was 16 credits a semester, usually divided into 4 4-credit courses. In each one, if asked, the teachers would usually say they were working on the expectation that you'd put in about 8 hrs a week on average, not counting the 3 hours of class time. Some had a better concept of what you could accomplish in 8 hours than others, however; if i had to finish an art project within a week, i could expect it to take 2-3 times as long (thankfully, i didn't usually have to finish).

It also depends on how you approach the work. I'm enough of a perfectionist that i find it hard to turn anything in until i'm satisfied with it, at least in a provisional sense, but i knew a few folks who styled themselves allergic to work. One of them said she never did reading except by accident and generally wrote her papers in the last 2 hours before class; she was an expert at saying what her teachers wanted to hear. I always wondered what her diploma was really worth when she finished.

If you get really inspired by the work, however, and if you're in an environment that really encourages you to push yourself, you can quite easily end up working as hard as you did in high school. It's just a lot easier to get out of putting in that effort. Or at least that was my experience.

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Yeah, considering I'm 21 and have been through college, I can tell you this without speculating. I actually kinda know how these things are because I've done 'em.

High school was WAY harder.

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I don't get it. I think college is harder even though I'm still in high school. They make you write papers 14 pages long, too.

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You do get more reading in college you know.

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They make you write papers 14 pages long, too.

Not to be rude, but where'd you hear either of those pieces of information? It highly depends on what you intend to study, where you're going to study, what section, textbook, and teacher is for the specific class you're in.

Also, it seriously depends on what your high school is like too if you're going to compare high school to college. I think most find the amount of work, and the amount of stress in high school to be worse than that of college. The level of difficulty of work is higher at college usually, but less stressful since there are fewer classes, and usually more time to get things done. Plus in college, if you decide to stay at a dorm, then you're away from home, and that's a whole bunch more freedom than traveling back and forth to school everyday, and having a number of chores to do at home. There's chore-ish like things to do at school too, like laundry, but there's less worry involved, at least for me anyway.

You said you were graduating soon, so are you all set on college then? One way or another, then you should be able to look at the course catalogs and course information online for whatever school(s) you're interested in. My school has a student based review system that gives you information on how hard a class was the year before, how necessary the book is, how good the teacher is and so on. You should be able to find out how hard classes are from the students at whatever school you're planning to attend through resources like that, if you don't believe us college folk here on the forum. Eye-wink

Perhaps the best advice I can give you on the matter is, that you'll understand when you get there.

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This thread is about DANCE.

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What about all the homework and reading? You do get more reading in college you know.

And there will be a quiz after the con.

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