Where to research the furry fandom?

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I'm in the process of making this video that will teach the watchers about the furry fandom. I know WikiFur is a site with extensive information, but don't know if that place can be trusted.

Where, or how, can I find information about the furry fandom that people can trust?

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Giza's picture
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That is why the articles on WikiFur have citations, references, and external links so that you can verify the contents of the articles yourself.

WikiFur is just an encyclopedia that summaries other works. It is not a Primary Source.

 
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How will I now you cited a trustworthy site?

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There's this thing called Google. You can (and should) also use it to perform your own research.

 
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I had an English teacher who said that Google won't give you trustworthy sites.

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And what is your English teacher's background on technology and the Internet?

 
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Gushousekai195's picture
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She knows that Wikipedia and Google aren't trustwothy ways of researching things and we have to use encyclopedias like Britannica and use whatever sites a trustworthy research site will give us.

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Google is a tool... it is only as good as the user. Google is perfectly trustworthy, because it states absolutely nothing; it merely hands you the information you asked for. If you don't get what you want/need, you're asking wrong.

I've been involved in amateur studies on various search engines and research methods, and depending on what you're looking for, Google's pretty close to the top of the list. Dogpile's another reliable tool, I've found.

Really, as far as using a search engine for reliable sources, it is best to (and I think this is what Giza was getting at) research your sources. In other words, look up what information makes Dr. John Doe a reliable speaker on your topic.

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Funny you should mention Britannica... Wikipedia survives research test:

"The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows."

Could there be inaccurate stuff on WikiPedia? Sure. It's happened before. But there are a surprising number of high quality, well-researched articles to be found there as well. I believe that your English teacher's choice to arbitrarily discount entire sites just because they might contain inaccurate information is short-sighted and a disservice to you, her students.

Anyway, that's enough venting from me... in an attempt to try and bring this thread back on topic, I'll give you a resource: Furries From A to Z (Anthropomorphism to Zoomorphism). This was the result of a survey done by Dr. Kathleen Gerbasi at Anthrocon 2006. It has lots of technical details about the survey and should appease your English teacher. Smiling

 
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I'm not doing this as a school project.

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But, they say Wikipedia is accurate in science. They didn't say it was accurate in cultural related matters (or more specifically, subcultural).

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LMAO, someone put their sex as 'white'.

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*chuckles and now want's blue sex*

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Alright stop right there... I feel a stream of thought coming on...

What you are asking for is a so called "trusted" source of information. When you use the internet, watch tv, or read a book you should evaluate on a personal level what it is that you trust as a source. Obviously you trust your teacher's opinion that Google and Wikipedia are not trustworthy sources. Putting that aside, there are a couple of things that I'd like to point out, or at least shed some light on.

Google searches are essentially just a way of finding information on the internet. It's a tool, a program written by the programmers at Google to more or less catalog the internet, and given keywords will return a list of pages in order of the level of relevance that the program assigned to them. So when you use Google it doesn't usually care whether or not the result is a trustworthy source to the user, and it will leave it up to the user to decide what is trustworthy to them. It would be nearly impossible to find information on the internet today without searchengines, just because of the sheer immenseness of the information contained on it. So don't base research off of Google results solely, but you should consider using it as a tool to locate potential research options on the internet. When you arrive at a webpage, and this can be any webpage, you can usually look around it to see if it a reputable source by seeing what other information it cites (if any), if the person who wrote the webpage is "trustworthy" (are they an accredited scientist, a sleazy reporter, your average Joe, etc), when it was written, and for what purpose, and a variety of other factors.

Wikipedia on its own is essentially an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. This brings up some obvious concerns, however the very large user base of Wikipedia is generally committed to upholding Wikipedia's stringent policies on what gets to be up there. Basically everything is supposed to be cited from some other information, or website, and is to be written from a neutral standpoint, so if you check the sources that the page makes reference to, then you're usually safe. I could go into a long winded discussion on how Wikipedia actually works, but it's much better explained by itself in my opinion. Encyclopedias in general have to pass reviews to see whether or not information contained within is relevant, up to date, and of course, that it is correct. Likewise Wikipedia is always being reviewed by it own users.

But then, you could and should be asking yourself, "why should I be listening to these people? Are they genuine, or trustworthy enough?" To decide this, you really have to think and figure out whether or not you think you should trust this information, and why.

There's a lot of information that people trust, for instance many of our experienced posters here on this forum based on their personal experiences, encyclopedias for their wealth of information and their reputations, weather reports, the bible, the internet, serial boxes, teachers, and the list goes on and on forever. The point I'm trying to make is, come to your own conclusions on who you should trust about what information. There are many opinions, facts, opinionated people, subtexts, and the like. Things are written for any number of reasons, but to find what that purpose is, can really make a difference in how you trust the writing.

When it comes down to it, how do you know that you should really trust yourself, or to trust your senses? Is what you see, or what you hear the "correct thing," or is it an illusion?

Just because millions of people use Google to look things up doesn't make them right, but also just because your teacher said certain things are one way or another doesn't make her right either. Take everything with a grain of salt, and look at the big picture. Hopefully, you'll find the answers you're looking for.

For more information on the above I encourage looking at these links:
Is Wikipedia accurate and reliable
About Wikipedia (already linked in body)
About Google

And for more information about the furry fandom, look around, and do some research ;P
Not long ago a Dr Kathy Gerbasi did some work on furries and the fury fandom. Her livejournal has some information on it, though Giza already mentioned a paper that she wrote. Her journal is a little less technical, so it might help you understand some of the research in the paper. Consider looking at some of the cited sources she used in her paper for performing your own research.

Wikifur isn't a bad place to look, but has a smaller user base than wikipedia does, so while the theory is the same, Wikifur is inherently more prone to being less perfect. Generally the information contained in Wikifur is pretty decent from what I've seen.

Sorry about the long rant above, but college and high school classes in the subject matter sometimes does that to you... haha! Maybe next time I rant, I'll try to make it shorter than a page and a half long. Good luck with things, and be careful.

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If you are just looking for general info on furry, look anywhere, ask most anyone, and im sure you can find some good info, but if you are looking for history on the fandom, there were two major records of the history of furry. One is very well known and available for access online. I dont know the exact link, but im sure some of the people on here can link you to it. if anyone feels like doing a quick search and finding said info, please do so, im kinda curious to see this site again and compare it with whats in the secondary reference.

However, I do know of a secondary history record, and its available in a book. Get on Amazon.com and search up a book called "Furry: the best anthropomorphic fiction Ever!" which is a collection of sci-fi and fantasy stories all relating to or came straight out of the fandom. Its a collection of the very best stories from the past 20 or more years. back when the fandom first started, I think it also includes stories from earlier than then, but Im not entirely sure. Either way, at the end of the book, there is a about a 5 or so page record of the history of furry, including the first cons, the first fanzines, and some other random tidbits. Its an excellent reference if Ive ever found one, all the information actually sounds accurate and VERY detailed while the website lists a lot of vague dates and info that much of which seems like it was researched through word of mouth. The book doesnt cite any references and I would hope that the guy making the book actually researched it, but either way, both the site and the book are excellent sources of info on the furry fandom.

and even if you dont find the book to be helpful for your history lesson, its an AWESOME collection of short stories.

PS, I went ahead and found the book.
http://www.amazon.com/Furry-Best-Anthropomorphic-Fiction-Ever/dp/1596873191/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202195907&sr=8-3

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if you are looking for history on the fandom, there were two major records of the history of furry. One is very well known and available for access online...

I suspect that you mean the YARF! (http://yarf.furry.com) webpage, which has a link/bullet to a history of Furry Fandom, compiled by Mr. Fred Patten.

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...I do know of a secondary history record, and its available in a book. Get on Amazon.com and search up a book called "Furry: the best anthropomorphic fiction Ever!" which is a collection of sci-fi and fantasy stories all relating to or came straight out of the fandom. Its a collection of the very best stories from the past 20 or more years...at the end of the book, there is a about a 5 or so page record of the history of furry...Its an excellent reference if Ive ever found one, all the information actually sounds accurate and VERY detailed while the website lists a lot of vague dates and info that much of which seems like it was researched through word of mouth. The book doesnt cite any references and I would hope that the guy making the book actually researched it, but either way, both the site and the book are excellent sources of info on the furry fandom.

The book is actually a reprint of an anthology, edited by the same Fred Patten; it was originally published by SofaWolf Press, under the title BEST OF SHOW. After its first printing, SofaWolf declined to do a reprint, and Fred took it to another publisher...Who, within a month of printing it under the "FURRY!" title, went out of business. Copies can still be bought, however.

Fred Patten is very diligent about research; he was a librarian by profession, last working in the Hughes Aircraft Company in their technical library. As a hobby, he has followed, attended, and reported on Science Fiction conventions around the world, was one of the first to get involved in Giant Japanese Robot Animation fandom - later called "Anime", wrote reviews of Japanese Manga and Animation, helped to import and translate some early product, was a friend of Dr. Tezuka (creator of ASTROBOY and KIMBA THE WHITE LION, for starters), and was there at the biginning of Anthropomorphic "Furry" Fandom. Fred has written reviews for trade publications and fan magazines, as well as participated in Amateur Press Association (APA) publication and Distribution; he took over editing and distributing ROWLBRAZZLE, a critical formative APA for Furry writing and art. If you ever get a chance to read an issue of YARF! - any issue - there will be at least one review, and possibly as many as seven, of furry stories, books, movies, and even one Furry Opera (yes, a special commision by the Los Angeles Opera Company, "The Fantastic Mr. Fox"). SInce YARF!s end of publication, Fred's early YARF! reviews, plus new ones on recent releases, are published in ANTHROn-line (http://www.anthrozine.com/).

Fred is a friend of some of AnthroCon's recent guests in the comic and animation industry, such as Stan Sakai, Scott Shaw!, and Mark Evanier, and a freind of some of FURther CONfusion's recent writer guests, such as Karen Anderson, Larry Niven, and Jerry Pournelle - ALL of whom are fiercely loyal and protective of him. So are native Pittsburgh Sci-Fi writers William Tenn and John DeChancie.

Unfortunately, Fred Patten suffered a stroke about three years ago, which has left him physically incapacitated, confined to a bed or a wheelchair. But his mind and memory are sharp, he _still_ participates in fandom, he has computer access to the outside world, and has returned to writing reviews of Anime and Furry Literature.

When Fred was hospitalised with the stroke, it became necessary for him to vacate his apartment of several years' residence. Local SciFi fans came down to collect and move his stuff, from his apartment and two storage facilities. It amounted to 800 BOXES of early pulp magazines, First-edition books from the "Golden Age" of SciFi, movie and cartoon scripts, thumbnails and sketches, finished artwork, aerospace memorabilia - there was stuff that Fred had somehow acquired that space museums around the WORLD would have KILLED to get - and this was all donated to the University of California, Riverside Research Library, the Eaton Collection of Science Fiction, GREATLY enhancing their collection for scholars to research. On rare occasions, Fred is able to go there (with help) and assist in cataloging the collection.

Fred, you see, knows where all the bones are buried...as well as the treasure.

I feel safe in saying that if Fred says it happened thus - then it happened thus.

BUT WAIT! There's MORE!!!

You live in Huntington Beach? Seek out the Prancing Skiltaire, in Garden Grove. It hosts a party at least once a month, and you can find reference to it from the SoCalFurs mailing list (I think they also have an LJ Forum). Proto-Fans Mark Merlino and Rod O'Reilly can provide you with back-issues of In-FUR-NAtion, or browse through copies of YARF!, or PAW-PRINTS, or any of a dozen early Furry Fan Pubs, which the early fandom coalesced around.

Certain old-guard furries have certain opinions about Merlino and O'Reilly, but they are essentially friendly, and if you wish to do serious research, short of interviewing Fred or digging through the Eaton Collection, they would be your best bet to get ahold of early material. Just try to absorb the facts, and filter out the fan politics. And First Impressions may be lasting ones, but they are often wrong.

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speaking of which, just emailed the guy and talked about some books, he sent me a link to his site where he reveiws anthropomorphic literature.

http://www.anthrozine.com/

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Big time advice here:

Please, if you're going to try and create a video/presentation about the furry fandom for any "educational" purpose, PLEASE come to Anthrocon first. If you have less than three years experience with furry in general and have never been to a major event, I'm afraid your data will be *highly* skewed and will most likely lead with a fairly derogatory angle unknowingly.

This has been tried several dozen times before, myself included on the list. (Back when I had only attended two cons.) It's only been successfully pulled off once for my experience, and there was over three years worth of work put into it. I'm sure someone has the link to it.

Internet research and personal experience makes for horrible things, I'm sorry to say, and unless you have folks around you with significant experience across the board (Well Kage comes to mind for one), I'd recommend keeping the camera down for now. There's oodles of sites to introduce aspiring furries into the fandom, but in the end:

Everyone's experience and definition is different.
The only way to properly introduce someone is to present them with a wealth of resources and let them experience it for themselves.

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read my research paper in press in the journal Society& Animals...it is available on the American Sociological Association website under the Animals & Society Section
(new articles by members)
or read a short form of the research on my live journal page http://drg_kcgerbasi.livejournal.com or email me!

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You will ultimately have to ask yourself what it is that you trust.

The media? There are many news reports (Wikipedia's articles on the furry fandom and furry conventions cite some, and there are more at WikiFur).

The media has got it wrong before, though. Perhaps you trust furries themselves to give you a good answer? Then you would look to WikiFur or to other fandom sites. Of course, we may be biased. Wikipedia is also edited by furries, albeit not exclusively, so there may be bias there as well.

If you wish for scientific sociological research, there have been some surveys, like this one, and the one done by Dr. Gerbasi. In my experience, while they are extremely useful, they are not the best source of general-purpose information. Science is mostly about confirming the truth or falsehood of hypotheses - which means you have to be asking the right questions to begin with - and is often confined to narrow questions. You might find out how many furries think they are not 100% human, but that doesn't tell you much about how they interact.

You can rely on books. But books are only as trustworthy as their authors, and there are not that many about the fandom anyway.

I would personally suggest you start with Wikipedia and WikiFur. Perhaps they are not completely trustworthy, but at least they are the work of many people who are ostensibly trying to provide a neutral point of view, and they are likely to lead you to further sources of information that back them up. If you find anything that contradicts them, or see an "odd" claim which you cannot substantiate, start asking more questions.

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