What if a minor was caught doing this:

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As most of us know, AC requires anyone under 18 to be accompanied by a parent or guardian or have them sign that minor consent form to attend. However, suppose a minor, oh say, didn't do any of those things and somehow managed to get to AC, either because (s)he obtained a fake ID, or more likely, appeared to be over 18. If AC found out during the convention that (s)he was really under 18, what would they do to the minor?

Please note: I am not under 18, nor are any of my traveling companions.

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#1: Wrath of Kage. Not to be taken lightly

#2: Revoking of membership, stripped of badge, and likely reported to the authorities. Not to be mean or anything, but the con could be held liable for anything that happened to the minor while here. That means, for legal reasons, said minors need to be deported to the origin family ASAP. And said authorities would probably question the minor about where the fake ID came from.

#3: Possible ban from future cons. Not quite sure on this, but it is possible.

#4: Possible intense punishment from parental units for doing stupid things like that and making them worry. No parent wants a police officer to be escorting their child in the front door. Also, no parent ever wants to have to call the police to report that their child just up and disappeared.

-If someone walks up to you and says they are a pathological liar, would you believe them?

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#5. All of the above.

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mapdark's picture
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Brilliant XD

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Well, a fake ID might work. I've seen some pretty convincing ones back in my high school days. But it wouldn't matter if they look over 18 or not. I worked the registration lines last year, and we had to get some form of government photo ID. Besides, I'm pretty good at spotting fake IDs. Then the police have to get involved, and it'll be a whole messy thing for the person. I would hope that no under 18 year old would be stupid enough to try that. It's not hard to get parental consent.

mapdark's picture
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It just is NOT worth it..

SERIOUSLY!

You'll get in trouble with the cops , the convention people ,

HECK if you're from Canada or another country you'll be in trouble with them ALSO!

You don't want to get banned for life from a con (or having trouble visiting the USA) just for something so stupid..

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Are transformed people who received a fake ID through a sister / parent / roommate / friend with connections, excluded from this rule?
Noy

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No.

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In a nutshell = any/all fake IDs are not allowed. Eye-wink

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It is, in fact, a crime in Pennsylvania to present a fake ID.

We do not have the time or the manpower to deal with such things. If we are presented with an identification we believe to be fake, we will summon the police and let them handle it.

Bottom line: Don't test my patience at Anthrocon. You will find that I have none.

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Squattle's picture
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Sad Why do people try to mess with the staff of ANY con.. The staff of every con is made up of kind, self-sacrificing people that give up their spare time and stress themselves out, out of the kindness of their hearts just so that the rest of the general fur populace can have a good time. Don't mess with the rules they have. Please? Especially since there's a good chance I may be one of them in a few years.. lol

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Transformed? Is that a sugar coated way of saying a trans-sexual?

Also. Why would the AC staff care if you got a fake ID from your friend, mom, or the plumber? A fake ID is a fake ID. And I'm sure the staff would have no gripes with swinging the ban hammer.

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My rule for abscure jokes - if no one got it, let it go.
And so I shall...
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As already stated: We thoroughly check everyone's ID, minor or not. If we find out someone is using a fake ID, what will happen was described. If someone is trying to attend with no ID, they will not be given a conbadge.

Also note that the minor consent form must not merely be signed, but signed and notarized, due to past issues. We work very hard at Anthrocon to ensure all attendees are whom they say they are, for the security of the convention and its attendees.

If you are aware of anyone who plans to use a fake ID, inform me at registration-2008 (at) anthrocon.org, please.

--Chiaroscuro

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Oh no, I'm in trouble then, this is all I have for identification.

http://furryzone.com/user/insane_kangaroo/drivers_license.jpg

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thats adorable.. and awful
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*chuckles* Cute! That will get you admission onto... hmmm... a printed-out floor map of Anthrocon.

(for the real con we need real ID blah blah)

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With all things considered, just either have a REAL ID and permission form signed by your REAL PARENTS/LEGAL GUARDIAN or just don't go. I had to wait 2 years before I could go to AC. The best thing to do in my opinion is to get a real ID and drag your parents along with you and have them sign it right infront of Kage himself. A friend of mine who is going with me this year who is under 18 is going to do that. That is unless you want like sleeping in a jail cell waiting for the wrath of your parental units to rain apon you! Now who wants that?

*waves* And if you like puppeting, PA Pets Live is a good show to watch.
[Warning: NOT a kids show. PG14+]
http://papawpets.org/PA_Pets_Home.html
PS: WE WILL BE AT AC '08, COME SEE US LIVE!

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It is not necessary for Kage to be there; that's why we have a Registration department, who are trained and ready to verify ID, speak with parents, and handle and process these things.

And Luna, thank you for being patient and waiting those two years; I'm sure you wished you could go, but waiting was the wise decision. I do wish for some, their parents understood better about what Anthrocon is and isn't; but the parental instinct to protect your child is very strong, and sometimes leads to very cautious decisions.

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It is not necessary for Kage to be there; that's why we have a Registration department, who are trained and ready to verify ID, speak with parents, and handle and process these things.

Well I more said it for dramatic affect, but I do hope my friend gets to see Uncle Kage anyway. She ever so excited. But even she said she would wait if something happens and her parents can't go. It just means she would have an excuse for asking for loads of stuff from the Dealer's Room and practically an external hard drive full of pictures and videos from the con!Sticking out tongue

Besides, when I finally get to go to Anthrocon for the first time, it was wonderfully perfect as I hoped it would be. It was so worth the wait. I met some of my best friends and my mate because of it. *blush*

*waves* And if you like puppeting, PA Pets Live is a good show to watch.
[Warning: NOT a kids show. PG14+]
http://papawpets.org/PA_Pets_Home.html
PS: WE WILL BE AT AC '08, COME SEE US LIVE!

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Aside from all the fan-impacting fecal material mentioned so far, let me add a few:

Whoever you room with is probably in deep doo-doo with the hotel and legal enforcement gentlemen for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. They too can expect, as Kage says, "all of the above."

And just to raise the ante a bit, let us think for a moment about how and why you might get caught at this. Assuming your fake ID is good enough to get you registered, what would make us later question it? Because you were involved in An Incident. You may even have been an innocent bystander, but something happens to cause a closer look at your ID and *boom*. There you are in the hands of the gendarmes, who are notoriously lacking in humor and tolerance on such issues. In fact, it's quite possible that they have even less humor and tolerance than your parents will when they are contacted.

In short, it's not a good idea. Any underage person should either go through their parents and get the notarized stuff, or give up until they reach 18.

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Not to mention that some of the staff checking I.D. badges are trained in the use of firearms. *winks*

~Tyrrlin

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Worse yet, some of them aren't. Boggled

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"This end to perpetrator."

Chiaroscuro's picture
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This is why I delegate!

..and am trained in the use of firearms.

..which no one should be bringing to Anthrocon in the first place.

..thus I am also trained in the Voice Of Exceeding Dissapointment, an equal weapon for the purposes of Anthrocon.

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hah! Too funny Smiling

What type of training, may I ask?

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I believe a Catholic upbringing is required, though I'm told a Jewish background will also suffice Laughing out loud

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What if you're only jewish

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Jewish requires the Voice of Ancestral Guilt-Tripping.

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30 years as an older brother, principally. I once made my sister cry with a "So.. you're smoking again." (Mind, I love my sister very much. There are simply times her behavior needs a firm nudge away from something, and thus, the VoED.)

I have applied it to choice, but rare, effect on co-workers, bosses, and younger dumber friends[*1]. I have not yet had to unleash it at Anthrocon. Best that I don't have to.

--Chiaroscuro
[*1] Not all my younger friends are dumber, of course. But it's amazing how smart 20 seems when you're 20, and how dumb 20 usually is when you're in your 30's. Smiling

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Not to mention, I'll probably be following this mongoose around carding you for giggles.

I should tell the story of the worst passport ever...but I shan't for it will spawn tl;dr.

Mikau's picture
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Ah, the age-old question of uses of fake ID... as Kage puts it, it is a crime in Pennsylvania and presenting a fake ID will get you banned from most major furry cons, and that would put quite a massive crippling blow to your self-esteem, not only that, but also be incredibly bored and all you can do on a fur con weekend is to sit at home and waste your life away holed up in your bedroom playing some sort of game that would keep you distracted for hours on end.

Most places that require you to present your ID, such as liquor stores or night clubs, use special lights to check the authenticity of the ID card, much like the dollar bills. In retrospect, anti-counterfeiting devices are in place, and some stores have begun this practice in association with the dollar bills, kind of what they do here in Canada as well. Much like assaults, presenting a false identification card can be considered a criminal offense, depending on the laws they have within the city, province/state, and country you live in.

Even though I don't like to follow some minor laws, there are major laws that you must follow, left you get a pair of metal bracelets slapped on your wrists and hauled away in a black-and-white car by some boys wearing blue. Sticking out tongue Such as presenting a LEGITIMATE ID. In addition, con staff do ask to present your ID card for security and protection reasons, and we have to do this, even though some of you out there don't like the rules of the con that they have and possibly try to go that extra mile just to break the rule and think you can get away with it.

In short, fake IDs are never worth the risk, in and outside cons. That's why I'm smart enough to have myself a completely legitimate government-issued ID card. I personally think that they should last a little longer for BC ID cards though, like maybe about five years, much like a Canadian Passport. Oh well.

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Methinks the wolf doth protest too much.

Nice sermon, preach.

I think the other five posts about the evils of Fake IDs were sufficient.

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