Furry Animation Screening

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Hi ho, last year's Anthrocon was my first and it was a super awesome experience. I look forward to 2009! One thing I found a little odd, or at least unexpected, was the fact that (unless I missed it) there wasn't much visual homage to the things that made me a furry in the first place-- that being animation based on anthropomorphic characters. I understand the convention may not be about watching films, but I thought since the Guest of OK was a huge part of the theme, there might be some panels about or screening rooms showing some of our favorite furry cartoons of yesteryear. I think it would be, if possible, a great touch to somehow incorporate this into the programming- maybe show little-known or older cartoons about furry characters, or even homemade animations from con-goers. This way people can become aware if they're interested in animation. (and how can't you be!?) Laughing out loud That way, it could be "new" or nostalgic, and not seem like you're wasting time watching what you could just see at home. Anthrocon seems to be very much about the furry lifestyle and socializing with the community, but for me, the cartoons are a huge part of my love for furdom too!

If this has been brought up before or if it has been available in the past, many pardons!

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Vulpes Rex's picture
"Vulpine fortunes are precarious; folk either want to build monuments to us, or hang us."

Location: Roseville, CA, USA

I do not know how common a practice screening cartoons is at other conventions is; but in Southern California (meaning at ConFURence, and later at CaliFUR) it was a staple part of the program. There was, essentially, a 24-hour (or nearly so) program all through the con, in one room, screening everything from favorite feature-length Disney classics, to Disney, Warner Bros and other "short subjects", as well as episodes of "Disney Afternoon" (TAILSPIN, RESCUE RANGERS, etc.) or favorite episodes of ANIMANIACS, TINY_TOONS ADVENTURES, or ROAD ROVERS. You could catch european cartoons and movies, and live-action films such as BABE and WARRIORS OF VIRTUE, and any one of a dozen really oddball or exotic things that no one had ever seen anywhere else, ever before. The first time I ever saw PBS' BETWEEN THE LIONS was at one of these cons - as well as the animated REDWALL series - and, at least once each con, there was a special Midnight Screening of...(dare I invoke it?)...MEET THE FEEBLES.

...But we were fortunate in having resources which other conventions may lack - namely, prominent founding members of the Cartoon/Fantasy Organisation, who had rather extensive collections of VHS tapes and DVDS and LaserDiscs, some commercially made, some carefully dubbed from film or off-the-air, and the means to present this programming, namely the right sort of Television Projector. These individuals included Rod O'Reilly (sp?) and Thom Scheafer, with contributions from David Bliss and even Fred Patten. And quite often, the screening room was manned during that entire time by one or another of these individuals, shuttling cartridges or DVDs in and out on schedule, and keeping the room and chairs neat, clean and orderly.

To duplicate this at AnthroCon would require, first, some staff to monitor the room, and set-up and operate the equipment. It would require convention space, OR a large suite, and several chairs for viewers to sit in. It would have to be readily accessible at almost all hours, not unlike a hospitality suite. It would require either a TV Projector and screen, or a monster-size TV, with both VHS and DVD players. Most of all, it would require the actual programming material...much of which is probably not readily available at BLOCKBUSTER.

At conventions with attendance numbers under a thousand, a screening room which could accommodate 48 people for the most popular stuff would suffice; most of the time, there would seldom be as many as a dozen folks watching. But it is a great alternative for some people, to massing in the lobby after the Dealer's Den shuts down. For something the size of AnthroCon, I don't know how much bigger you would plan for, room-and-chair-wise. If this were held in a suite (without any other inducements, such as refreshments), figure a stream of people wandering in and out, with committed viewers numbering upwards of 2 dozen, average. Mind you, not necessarily the SAME 2 dozen, people will come in and see different things, either old favorites, or something new.

This is quite different from more conventional "Panel Programming". It would require a special dedication and effort to pull off. And while I have met one or two AnthroCon attendees who are C/FO members, I don't know if there is a collection - or group of collections - of animation or other "Furry Movie" stuff, readily available or transportable to Pittsburgh, even if you had all the other requisites.

On the other paw - it DOES offer a "moderating" convention experience, for those who aren't trying to locate friends of their own clique, or aren't interested in the dances, or buying and selling "stuff". It offers a chance to be entertained, and to let a story carry you away. I remember at CF9, watching BALTO one night. In walked a fursuiter (and artist) known as Loopy, AKA Andrew Pidcock. He was wearing a white wolf fursuit at the time; he had never seen BALTO, but was entranced enough to stay and remove his fursuit head, and watch the whole thing - and was moved to tears in the scene where Balto encounters the White Wolf, and finds the strength to Be What He Is.

It's nice that something can have that sort of impact.

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Location: Cambridge, MA

FurFright has the Movie Morgue, set up in a large meeting room. I don't think it runs on a 24-hour schedule, but otherwise it's much as you describe.

I've always felt rather iffy about this sort of fixture, however. You say to yourself, "I have Netflix, I can watch these films on any of the other 361 days this year." Shades of the discussion we had about the video game room, but you don't even get as much of the camaraderie gamers share in their element.

I think movie-watching works well if you're with a group of friends (or a big audience), or the film is rare/homebrew/semi-legal. But if you're just ducking in solo to watch Space Chimps... with the Zoo, and all the various room parties going on....

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"Vulpine fortunes are precarious; folk either want to build monuments to us, or hang us."

Location: Roseville, CA, USA

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I think movie-watching works well if you're with a group of friends (or a big audience), or the film is rare/homebrew/semi-legal. But if you're just ducking in solo to watch Space Chimps... with the Zoo, and all the various room parties going on....

Well, you see - some of us just don't do "camaraderie". It's how we are composed. There are those of us who always felt different from the crowd, who didn't or couldn't fit in, and who would hole up in our rooms, taking quiet pleasure in a book, or watching an old film or cartoon on our small TV...alone.

I admit to waiting to see a movie in a theater, until after it has nearly completed its run, and after everyone else has seen it; the better chance of being able to watch the movie, without being surrounded by loud, obnoxious or oblivious people to constantly distract and detract from the experience. I could relate a couple of near-horror stories about theater-going in the San Fernando Valley (like the guy three rows forward who, while reaching over to put his arm around his girl's shoulders, dropped his pistol - and after standing up and shuffling around, found it, and to see if it had been damaged, cycled a round through, ejecting it into the seats in front, where it hit the ground and rolled down the incline under a couple rows)...this tends to lead to missing more movies than seeing, actually - sometimes you guess wrong on the end of a run.

As to the zoo - I've never felt the desire to sit in a room full of strangers, some drawing but most not doing much of anything except tooking at all the other strangers seated at other tables.

Room Parties? At a Sci-Fi convention, Friday night and Saturday night usually have a floor or two where the larger rooms or suites are set up and decorated for parties, usually sponsored by a group trying to promote another convention, or a "bid attempt" for convention-hosting rights, or a space-exploration society, or something of that ilk. People sort of meander, unhurriedly, from room to room, sampling all manner of finger-foods and treats, and collecting ribbons or stickers for their badges, indicating that they had been to so-and-so's party, and supported their cause. I have ribbons from the League of Evil Geniuses room party (sponsoring CostumeCon), proclaiming my status as "Minion" and "Lab Rat".

Sometimes there is no cause, other than a fannish tradition - I have a ribbon from the 9th Herbangelist Wine and Cheese Party. What is a Herbangelist? Seriously - it is an advocate for the Church of Herbie. It is Traditional.

...But Furry Room Parties - particularly where they aren't organised on one floor, or advertised by flyers, and obviously open to all - I've never felt comfortable, or particularly welcome, just knocking on the door of total strangers, who are having a party but it's just for them, or for a select group of friends, or friends of friends. I am afraid I don't fit in either category.

...Though I WILL state that Watts Martin can mix perhaps the best Mai-Tai that I've had the pleasure to enjoy, and we may just get him to get Claw and Quill into a going concern, yet.

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Well, you see - some of us just don't do "camaraderie". It's how we are composed. There are those of us who always felt different from the crowd, who didn't or couldn't fit in, and who would hole up in our rooms, taking quiet pleasure in a book, or watching an old film or cartoon on our small TV...alone.

Glad to know I'm not the only one like that...

Though the line between voluntary and involuntary seclusion/reclusion can be fine; the latter can lead to this, especially the last stanza Sad

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Indeed, I understand people attend conventions differently and for different reasons. AC seems to be heavily leaning to the social aspect- as you say camaraderie. But regardless of how social or non-social individuals are, I was merely suggesting that people might attend to enjoy and celebrate the subject matter of the convention itself- anthropomorphic animals, not just to meet with/make friends. I respect that aspect but arguably one could do that anywhere. It sort of surprises me that there's not more of an interest in this.
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iSKUNK's picture
Location: Cambridge, MA

Nothing wrong with being a bit of a loner---at least, nothing I'll take issue with here. But I think it's rather a waste to spend convention time doing something that you could perfectly well do any other time of the year. Even if the Zoo or room parties aren't your thing, there's a lot else that a con can provide in the limited time that it runs.

I remember hearing once about a (mythical?) AC attendee who spent almost the entire time in his hotel room, alone, watching TV. That would be the extreme case---and clearly, an outcome that anyone in their right mind would want to avoid.

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All true, but again, my point is that animation is one of the few outlets of seeing anthropomorphic animals in action and I can only imagine the way most people started their journey to being a fur, so it surprises me that there isn't more interest in showcasing it at a convention dedicated to anthropomorphic animals, as an Anime convention is dedicated to animation from Japan and a comic convention to comic books and comic characters.
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Location: Roseville, CA, USA

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Even if the Zoo or room parties aren't your thing, there's a lot else that a con can provide in the limited time that it runs.

Oh, I very much agree! I didn't wish to give the impression that I fly into Pittsburgh so as to loftily disapprove of things. There is the Dealer's Den, where I have made, over the years, a few friendly acquaintances, so I will stop by to share a friendly word, and perhaps buy a print or two, or some magnets and bookmarks. I try to lend an encouraging word here and there. There are of course the comic book dealers, who may have issues I need to complete a collection, or something new in a series I had been following. There are Book sellers, with books new and used, of a general SciFi and fannish nature, where I can buy something for myself, or for a friend who isn't able to come to these any more.

...And of course, there is the Art Show. I spend a LOT of time in the Art Show, and STILL somehow manage to overlook some of the art, occasionally the most dramatic and best executed works in the show...somehow. And with the Art Show, goes the Auction. I have been known to perhaps bid on a piece (Stop laughing, PeterCat!).

I go to see the Masquerade, and Kage's Story Hour. I freely yield my seat to any takers, for 2Gryphon's performance. I try to attend those panels or events bearing on our Guests of Honor - I regard that as obligatory. And I have - once or twice - been useful in a voluntary capacity, of minor consequence.

Other than that, my pleasures of the convention are the more solitary and ruminating sort, reflecting on expressions of the thing that we are fans of; and this would fit in with the idea of screening furry cinema quite nicely.

I understand why we don't do that at AnthroCon anymore; there are very practical reasons why, as Uncle Kage has pointed out. And with all the other opportunities to see and do and hear stuff, with capable staff and volunteers doing their best to put it all on, one can certainly find some other diversions to occupy one's time.

I'm just sayin', is all...

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We used to run a video room in years past. The gentleman in charge brought along some wonderful stuff, but despite everything it was always very sparsely attended, so we eventually dropped it from our programming.

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"Bonzai!"

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Thanks for the info Uncle Kage, I had surmised as much but I still think it a shame. Perhaps in the future if the interest returns.

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