i was thinking about making a book, and trying to sell it....
yes i have tried making a book, i did have a publisher say they would publish the great massive yiffyness story >.< but chickened out at the last moment. Oddly enough i didnt think the publisher would go "this is a great story, i want to publish this" My friends say its a wonderful story, but they do not believe that the book would sell because i have some "odd" things in it, and it contains furries. So basicly i said " we shall see" and i sent my story off to a publisher, and when i got the report back, was quite shocked.
the publishing alone is 2k, and i would like to publish it, but yet i have that small itch going, no ones going to buy it because it contains X and furries, the general public would not read it. But i dont know, thats why i wanted to ask here.
I had thought about getting a booth at the con and getting the book published, but im not sure if they would buy, because most furries are more into looking at a Picture, then some big long amount of words.
*edit* im currently working on another story, pg-ish so far my character whiro is hatchling, who's den mother is atacked and killed by another male dragon. whiro has to avenge her mother's death and save/ find her other brothers and sisters who were taken away from the nest as egg. The elvin that took the eggs would have gotten her too if her egg hadnt rolled out of the linen cloth bag while he escaped the nest and started to make his way home with his tastey meal. but does the elvin eat the eggs and hatchling within? or do they manage to escape his grasp? ^.^ *chuckles*
the reason i would like to publish is not really for "making" extra munnies, its accually really for showing my work to the world, and showing the creative mind i have hidden within my skull ^.^ . but i have a fear that the book would go untouched either this new story or the above story, -which im not going to go into too much detail due to the cotent- . to be sitting on the shelf. i would like to at least regain the expenses to publish it at least.
The first story is about whiro, out in a feild, shi (herm) finds a flower. The flower is called a "vampire flower" the flower sucks the emotion from its host, and grows as it feast on that emotion, The bud on the flower is about the size of hir paw. She digs up the flower, harvesting it. The flower would glow and grow slightly bigger at a certain thought. The flower has choosen a very storng bond between whiro and hir mistress Dracasis. The love and affection they share. Whiro is later shot and, and drugged with traquillizer darts. Running away from the attacker, but unfortunatly losing moter skills and movement, bcoming slugish. She tripping over an uprooted tree, and falling onto hir muzzle. Sleep began to sink deeper into hir, though shi tried to over come the drugs affect but unfortunatly the drug was just too powerful. As her eyes blinked sleepishly closed, shi noticed two red hind paws appear before hir snout walking closer and closer.. untill... daekness took over. shi could feel hir body drifting as her immagination took over, Hir dream forming and growing as hir body fell deeper into a trancing sleep..... (male later takes hir to his layer and... *just whisles cutting off*)
I would love to hear from you, if you have comment about the first story (vampire flower) you can contact me either Private message or on AIM: Dragonwhiro
for the other story, the elvin and the egg one, you may comment below or contact me by AIM.
would like to hear from you on if i should or shouldn't publish the book and try to sell it at the con or put it on the shelf of a store like barns & nobals.
well i dont want to get too involved in explaining it, because im trying to keep it pg-13. at least being "suggestive" but not blunt about what is happening. just incase this is pg-13 rated site. and not a rated R *shurgs* other wise i would tell you a lot more about it. im quite proud of my work. any ways i'll try to be as subtle as possible if the admin dont like it, then i can change/ delete it
but yeah i rather not, because i dont know how the fourms are set up as rating wise *shurgs*
Greetings, Whiro!
yes i have tried making a book, i did have a publisher say they would publish the great massive yiffyness story >.< but chickened out at the last moment.
I'm sorry, but I do not understand - did the publisher "chicken out", or did you?
the publishing alone is 2k, and i would like to publish it, but yet i have that small itch going, no ones going to buy it because it contains X and furries, the general public would not read it. But i dont know, thats why i wanted to ask here.
Generally, in the book publishing business, the idea is to have a publisher pay you for the right to print, distribute, and sell your story. Since publishers are assuming all the costs, meaning all of the risks, they do what they can to reduce that risk and ensure having a marketable product. This would mean assigning an editor to help you, by suggesting things which will make the story both easier to read and understand, and perhaps more "definable" for marketing in a specific category or "niche". Mainstream publishers, faced with these costs and risks, are usually very picky about what they will consider printing.
A publisher who charges you a fee to print your book, is called a "vanity press"; such publishers are essentially a printing-and-binding operation, and they will print almost anything with little regard to either its marketability or content virtue, except for the risk that they could in some way or another be sued for either libel or plagiarism. Once printed, the books are sent to you, most likely with added shipping and handling fees - and, if you are not careful in how the contract is written, they might require you to use them exclusively to print any more copies, by claiming an exclusive copyright. You are then stuck with the job of advertising, distributing, and selling the books yourself, at your own expense.
This is not to say that a "vanity Press" is necessarily a bad or shifty thing - some of the world's most important and profound written works have started as self-published books - but the willingness of a vanity press to print your book is no good indicator of the quality or marketability of your creation.
...it contains X and furries, the general public would not read it.
What do you mean by "X"? Does this mean "sex", and if so, is it explicitly carnal? You are perhaps right, general audiences in America tend to associate "Furry" characters with material written for a juvenile market, in which case explicit sex is right out; If you make plain from the context, title and even the cover that this is a subject for mature readers, and not make the characters too attractive to juvenile tastes, then you might have something which is a bit easier to categorise, and easier to find for an audience looking specifically for that sort of thing.
I'm not the best source for advice on this; I've never written anything for submission or publication, myself. But I think that it would be a good idea, for the time being, to set aside the idea of risking your own money on a vanity press. If I were you, I would try to find someone else who HAS published, who can offer services of an Editor, and follow his recommendations, for writing style, spelling, grammar, story and plot development; and then, approach publishers who are willing to pay you for your work, and get it out on the market. THEN, if you do not get any offers for your work, consider the vanity press again - just remember that it will be up to you, at that point, to sell your stories directly at conventions and bookfaires. IF you are content with that, then you will have done all right.
I'm sorry, but I do not understand - did the publisher "chicken out", or did you?
i did, i chickened out. i wasnt sure if readers would buy it. but as i said i was really suprised when they said its a great story we would like to publish this for you. But when i asked my friend " so if i was to publish this story. Do you think that readers would but it and like the content within the story? And Do you think that someone would publish it?
most of my friend said no. even my loving master said "sorry love but i do not think that people would like the kind of things that we are into."
The publisher i was looking at is "Dorrance Publishing" =>
http://www.dorrancepublishing.com/default.htm
its a self publishing company i belive.
i was reading it and in the free manuscript reate/review they sent me a packet telling me about the rates ect. im not sure if i have that paper any more, but i'll have to look for it.
What do you mean by "X"? Does this mean "sex",
well yes, i did mean expliced sexual content. i didnt want to mention it at first, because i didnt know how the admins would accept adult rated content on a their forums. I had a few forums bitch at me because i started going into deep expliced sexual details about it. But it seems that the admins dont seem to worry too much about it, or they would have said something by now im sure. ANY ways back to what i was saying...
im content with selling them at the convention for Anthro con. But i wasnt sure if any one would buy it. because the fact that most furries rather look at a picture of sexual content then use their imagination and picture it within their heads as they read a book. XD i tend to do this at times myself... just depends on my mood really. If im willing enough to look at a story posted, or if im in a rutt and just wanting a hot picture to finish the job quicker.
But yeah. in the story its not at all suggestive. its quite blunt and out there. expliced.
a few of the content within the story that i think readers would like to read.
hot steamy sex o.o wow that was hard.
messy situation i.e. cum and other sexual fluids.
a few things that might be "ok" to be read.
forced, bondage, forced rape-whiro is litteraly inected with a vial that bring on hir heat causing hir womb to be fertile.- caged. humiliation,
a few things that reader would be "WHAT THE FUCK!"
1)-the biggest one i think- my character whiro has a snake for a cock! who in there right mind would read something like that? ...me ^.~
2) whiro is also a hermathodite dragoness. Thus when being refured to as "shi" or "hir" thus making it look like one big spell check error.
3) cock-vore... well sorta. if you consider whiro length swallowing another male creatues organ. though i personaly dont, because the 'snake' has a throat, mouth, tounge, ect. just like a normal snout of a creature just placed in the wrong place. -thats another story as to "what happened. basicly alien experimantation and alien mutation on whiro's once male annatomy."-
4) with that being said. whiro's length is flexable enough to be arched back and able to litterally fuck hirself... now that totally gives a new meaning to the words "go fuck yourself"
and a few more after that, but that basicly the most of them illistrated within my imagination. and i just kinda have a "fear" that no one would buy and read the content that i put down on paper. because i have ran into a few who have been "wtf dude o.o your cock has eyes! and its staring at me! thats just gross!" and i just felt abandoned after that because they just dont talk with me or play with me cause of that "factor/defect"
i just have become emotionally attached to whiro. because shi is me within my soul. and when you basicly say the thing above. it litterally feels like your shoving a knife into my heart.. and screaming FREAK! i hope you burn in HELL! ... but im just over reaction... its alright "yeah you hate it, yes i get those thing a few time. when meeting someone and they ask "hey can i see a picture of you" which is a very bad idea because i only have yiffy content of my character. So you basicly walked yourself into that trap =P. I still love meeting new people to create a friendship with. and accept me for what i am.... its just like that dam saying "yiff in hell fur fags!" so what? we know we are different stop rubbing it in out nose. no ones perfect so fuck off!... wow i trailed off BIG time... sorry... went into a rant XD ... yeah my bad..
and then at other time i could meet a furry totally open to my strange creativity. which i have become great friend with.
Uh, let's keep the discussion PG-13, folks. This is an all-ages website.
Thanks...
*chuckles* see XD i told you! sorry about that do you want me to edit out the post? like change the words to "softer" words? i.e. "lenght" shaft" ect. or just take it out completely? or leave it?
Toning things down to a PG-13 level would be appreciated, thanks. 
alright once again sorry about that.
any ways, i found the paper from Dorrance Publishing
the company i was looking at says to create a book it cost 6k-10k average. im just like dude wtf i dont have that. that one reason why im considering not doing it. 500 downpayment, and with 24 installment payments.
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"presemt for dracasis" is a fantasy peice about Whiro, a female draon who is owned by a lady(ha! wrong dragon!) named dracasis.
while ut flying one day Whiro spots a black flower. She decides it looks like a good gift for her master, so she scoops it up and begins to fly off with it. Suddenly she is attacked by another dragon, who uses darts to poison her and prevents her from running away. He caputres her, and tells her that the flower she was carrying is a special flower tht drains the emotions out of those that touch it. If it is destroyed and the emotions are not returned to their original owners, (wrong! the plant sucks the emotions from ONE person/ creature. not anything that touches the plant. )then those emotions are lost forever, and their owners will never feel them again.
Dracasis finally manages to find whiro through a trackig device on her collar. Dracasis saves Whiro from the red dragon.(if they read, they should have gotten his name! its like sky or something...)
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they made me write a summary of it, and i think they just revised it a bit. and reposted it without reading it
you know sadly that doesnt sound to me like the ready accually read it. now that i look back at it a few months later, im basicly going ok... you dont know whats going on!
they offer
-traditional full-service subsidy publishing
-self-publishing/private printing
alright for the private print i do not have a problem going out and selling it that way to cons, but i would like the novel to be pushed out to the world and not just the places i go to sell it.
sales author payments
up to 3500 copies 40% of retail price
over 3,500 25% of retail price
outside us sales 25% of retail price.
dont remeber where but i thought i saw their rates on dollars for so and so amount of worse
but yeah. you guess suggest any publisher? good publisherand doesnt sound like a complete rip off.
No upfront costs, books printed as they're ordered.
which would be better? to get a hard cover or the paperback cover? hard cover i assume would be the better option to choose from. right?
*sigh* but im not sure. i dont even know if it would sell.. i mean 1) i have to get a $75 dollar 1/2 table. 2) still have to buy the per-registration for the con $45.00
3) then i would have to get dealer badge another $25. dollars 4)get the state tax liscence. which would be maybe $25.
these are just a few. im not sure what else i might need.
which comes to 170. Then i would have to buy the books. if each book to be created cost five dollar. and i get a resonable amount. like 30 books.30x5= $150. to buy the books. 170+150=320 now i would have to manage to some how sell the books at 10 per book. which i dought would happen. but if that happens then 30X10 = 300 so i lost 20 dollars if they all sold.
lets try 35 books.=175 for books + 170= 345 dollars 10x35= 350 dollars. 350-345=$5 dollar increase. Now because i am a new write, im not having the most confidence that i could sell all those. If i do then i would do it again, and this time make a secual to the book. but right now im just like... eh... do i realy want to try and more then likely get rejected and not being able to sell the book?
would like to hear from you about it ^.^
uh, you have to spend money to make money.
a $375 startup cost is not bad at all. I was going to print some shirts to sell at one point with a friend and we were looking at over a thousand dollar initial investment once all was said and done. SilentWolf who runs Furprint threw more money than I'd even like to think about into it before he started to make money on buying the hardware necessary to run his business.
I dunno I mean if you're coming on here looking for everyone to be all crazy excited about this book nobody knows anything about for validation it's probably not going to happen. You'll have to put in effort. Make people aware of it, post a sample chapter. Something. Gauge the demand (maybe even offer pre-orders) and then see how many you think you'll need at AC. At the very worst you can aim to break even at the con, which is something to be proud of.
If you actually want to do it, plan out what you can afford, save up, and do it. Nobody here can answer these questions for you.
well i love the idea of getting my imagination out to the world in the form of a book. i was more or less looking for reasurrance here then a "buy my book" pleed. just because most say its a bad idea to publish something that most people would not be into. But yet at the same time, it could just become a hit and go off the wall with demands.
just dempending on what is happening. i rather pay the .5k then the 6k-10k average from dorrance. mine just get 50 copies of the book, add a decent cover to it-which wasnt in the figured above- hmmm yeah i think i would do that. later i should post the first couple chapters, on a new forum and see where that leads me before i go an make any drastic plans.
Your Dealer's table costs would include membership to the convention, as mentioned on http://www.anthrocon.org/dealer. However, you might consider Artist's Alley for selling a book which you are the author of; that is acceptable under their rules, does not require a PA license nor Dealer's table. The space is almost guaranteed to fill each day, however, so you would likely only have 2 of 3 days available to sell your book.
Let me politely recommend, however, you test out your stories a chapter at a time on a site such as FurAffinity.net after you have written thm, and glean some feedback upon the overall story. I do not wish to discourage you, but I think you are placing the cart before the horse; work on your writing first, get feedback and fans, and then seek to publish.
well thank you, i like that idea. but if i post the story by chapter/ page a day or so, wouldnt that let ppl just collect them there? hmm i'll just delete them, after i get a few feed back and such.
and as you were saying, should i get a small ammount? or i should just wait i.e. after this con.
any btw, if i was to join the artist alley, they said there is a lottery every morning saying who is going to be able to be in the ally. But it never says what time this drawing would be, and what time is needed to put your name into the hat to be drawn from. my question is, what time would i have to get to artist alley to put my name to be drawn? Does that name get carried over for the next day, or am i required to do it again the next day? Is there a certain spot to put your name into? like guy with a hat near entrance to artist alley, or down the hall near registration.
The Artists Alley rules are still being rewritten and updated; I should have the revised rules up in the next few weeks and those will have the times of signups and lottery.
You are required to put your name in every day; names are not carried over from day to day.
Signups will take place in one of the rooms on the third floor of the Convention Center. There will be a period of 30-60 minutes when you can stop by and write your name down, then at the time of the lottery (right after the signup period) you will need to be present to take your place in the Alley if your name is called.
Please let me know if you have any other questions!
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Signups will be from 10:00 AM - 11:30 AM on Friday, and 8:30 AM - 9:30 AM on Saturday and Sunday.
ok so the drawing would be right after the sign ups? like friday at 11:30 AM ? and sat and sun at 9:30 would be lotto.
Drawings for seats happen right after signups, yes.
And don't go by those times; we are changing them for this year. Watch the Artists Alley page for the updated rules and information.
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Tom Brady/Duncan da Husky
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ah alright, i just wasnt sure, because i didnt really wish to stand/sit around for an hour or so and wait. was just trying to figure out if i could trail off and wonder about the con for a few minutes before coming right back to the alley for the drawing.
another question that just came up.
If for some reason i miss my name called. i.e. if the names called sometime in the beginning like lets say the third called and i get in and listen to them call lets say the tenth name.
my question would be, if my name is preiviously called and i come late, would my spot be taken? or can i reclaim it? or is the name thrown back into the hat and redrawn late?
If we call someone's name and they are not present, their name goes onto the Waiting List. If there are still seats at the end of the drawing, they go to the people on the waiting list int he order that their names were placed there.
We require ALL artists participating in Artists Alley to be present when the drawing begins, and we have copious signage present stating this. We're trying to get 120+ people seated in 15 minutes or less, so we don't have a lot of time to spend on whether someone is present or not.
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Tom Brady/Duncan da Husky
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Posting a chapter on Furaffinity might be a good idea, but only if you've already got a good-sized list of watchers.
Otherwise, it'll simply get lost in the sheer volume of material.
You'll get a handful of comments from casual browsers of new material, but primarily from those who are 'into' some or all of those fetishes, which is a very poor sampling method for determining commercial viability.
You also might want to browse some of the stories already written which include those types of things. The basic plot sounds similar to many of them. The memory-erasing flower is fairly novel.
Also, don't make the mistake of emphasizing sex and forgetting to maximize writing quality, plot movement, character development, and providing interesting and engaging scenes and scenery. There are already way too many stories in which the sex scenes make up over half the writing. It tends to get very tedious and dull to most readers after a time, even those who are interested in the fetishes.
You want to make the scenes of eroticism succinct and short, especially if this story is going to be long. Multiple drawn-out scenes of sex with little in between only appeal to very small numbers of readers. One must expect that only about 10-20% of the potential audience will actually buy the book at best, and if your entire audience consists of only 50 people, that really doesn't bode well for sales, even if your writing has flawless grammar and intricately detailed style.
Sex sells, as the saying goes, but pictures and video dominate the market by far. Erotic writing is an ever-shrinking segment as free story sites abound. People can often get the jolt they want for nothing, so to convince them to buy a book on the subject, it must truly be something extraordinary.
well thank you for your advice. i do need to add something inbetween but not sure what. that little "fight" with master and the red drake was it, but im not sure if i should add something else. and if i do. what?
on FA i only have 20 or so watching me, quite a low number if i say so myself. but no real way to boast it up because i dont post graphical images. and my art skills arnt so great, thus why my popularity is quite low XD....
Well i am also creating a pg-13 rated story. so far what i have is an elvin has taken eggs from a den mother dragon. one egg had rolled out and survived and thus hatching. The den mother comes back notices hir eggs are missing and goes out to hunt the elvin. while she is flying a male dragon attacks her, knocking her down with a crash into the trees below, scraping and cutting her scales causing fresh wounds which bleed and ran down her body. she gets out and flys into the air to defend her self and try to fight off the male, but because of her weaken state and torn wings it doesnt look good as the male flys at her ready for an attack.. and then...
You know, you might just want to publish it. I wouldn't by it if the vast majority is yiff but, by the sound of it, it's not. You might want to check out Kyell Gold's books. I have one, and it's got alot of erotica in it. Besides, there are wierder books in exsistence.
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