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I had an idea (isn't that new?) Why not have a special gallery? And i don't mean one where people can just upload their AC pics, I mean a special gallery. Okay, this is the idea: You either hire some one(s) or you get a few volunteers to do this, but those persons are stationed at all of the events. Some of these people will be stationed in random locations, for things like the Fox Hun, while others can be told to goto the Westin inn (there is a reason there, but why isn't coming right now). But what these people do is that they take photographs of each and every event and location. Multiples of each place and event. That way you have actual pics that are directly related to certain aspects of the con and the area around it (for that year). Now there are a few things that go with this is idea: 1. You guys will need to make a new staff position (for the Photography) and a person to fill that seat. (I wouldn't mind doing it.) 2. The Photographers. Now this part is tricky, because photographers can be expensive, but volunteers don't always take that great of pictures. Also, the volunteers will need to have their own cameras. 3. Space on the server. This one might or might not be a problem, 'cause pictures take up space, and having to take up more space might cause you guys to have to spend more money to keep the site up. Well, that is my idea, and what do you think? |
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Well, we already have Tugrik's photography services at the convention. If you want to take any pictures on your own above and beyond that, be our guest. But the manpower requirements to have photographers all over the con are a little more than we can provide at this point in time.
Regarding #3, space isn't the problem. Bandwidth is. Plus, with the current glut of free image hosting services, (Flickr, Photobucket, Smugmug, etc.) it doesn't make as much sense for us to host photos on our website as it might have made say, 5 years ago.
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But Tugriks's Photo-gallery is mainly of Fursuiters or the Parade. There is more to AC then just that. And a gallery of each event would show that. And Manpower really isn't that big of a problem, because you and I both know that there are a few (from what i have heard, quite) AC-goers that love to volunteer, and I am sure that many of those volunteers love taking pictures. And they probably wouldn't mind seeing their work posted on the website. so all that really needs to be done is makeing sure there are enough people, that they are in the right locations, that they don't mind doing this, and that they take lots of pictures.
You see, I thought this out.
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You make some valid points there. However, I would like to remind you that our pool of volunteers is not infinite and we must use our limited resources with care.
At this point, we haven't seen much demand for a photo gallery of every single event that goes on at the convention.
If you want to take pictures at next year's con, feel free. After the con, we can look into putting them online in some sort of archive of gallery available for browsing.
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Something for which, on a purely personal note, i am thankful. I have enough cameras to dodge as it is, and they're mostly just interested in the fursuiters and the big stage events. *wrysmile* It's different when it's not just a security camera; even if i never see the picture, it brings up issues.
Coming back from AC in the past, there have been some times when i miss having pics of friends about; i'm a terrible photographer, and in other venues, i'm used to having close friends who take fantastic pictures (and avoid me). But if it comes down to a choice for me between not having pics of the folkses i love and having to argue with 5-10 roving camerafolk who don't believe in photophobia and are just trying to do their jobs as AC photographers...i'll take the lack of pics.
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There is also The Foxden, which has huge galleries of photos taken by folks at various conventions, including Anthrocon.
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This is turning into a fun little talk.
just to let you know, I'm not trying to be rude by imposing my idea on to you guys, I just (1) Like to talk about it, and (2) I am also trying to defend it (what i mean is show that it is a valid idea). Alright, now i am going to pick each of your post apart!
Giza Wrote:
Ahh, good point. I really don't have any way to defend against this, but but I am still posting it because it was a valid point in the first place.
Giza Wrote:
I would think (sorry if my ego shows) that is becuase of two reasons: One is that people wouldn't normally think of this or suggest it because of the strain it could have on the resources thus causing it to be shot down (kind of like mine is, except that you people are more of just saying that it is a nice idea but you can't do it). Another is that some people do think of the idea, but they don't really think about, so they never realize "Hey, wait a minute, thats a good idea. I think i will tell someone that."
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Would it help if the Photo Director told the Photographers that when ever they were about to take a picture, they had to ask the people in front of them to move to the side for a little while (when applicable of course, don't want to be rude)? Would it also help to include a pamphlet that told the AC Goers about the AC Photographers and what they are doing and how to recognize them? Just an idea.
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I went through that one too, and its pretty much like Tugrik's, but full not as great (quality wise) pics.
Well, thats my defense for now.
Hehe, I sound like a lawyer.
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I don't think there was ever any question about its being a valid idea, and (being the pacifism-oriented beastie i am) i prefer to think of it as exploring an idea that excites you, but i get your drift. *ruffles the foxie's fur*
Hrmmm...Well, having the photo subjects move over to one side would certainly serve my needs. I don't know how well it would serve the needs of the photographers, tho; my sense from talking to many photo folks is that they get most excited about taking the spontaneous pics that only happen when ppl don't know they're being shot. A lot of ppl out there really only photograph well when they're not aware of it, and most ppl are more animated and genuine. In a small community, where there's really only 1 or 2 like me, it's not so hard to balance those needs; the photographer just taps me on the shoulder, i scoot over, and voila. In a big community like AC, where there may be 20 or 30 beasties like me about, it's a lot harder.
And then of course, on a purely mundane level, there's the added printing expense for the pamphlets and the time expense of adding the pamphlets to the bags and getting all of the camerafolk together and giving them the rundown on how to ask ppl nicely to scoot over for a good shot. Nitpicky? Sure; but spending 2 days (and a lot of foot leather) hand-assembling 2,000 30-page packets for a gathering has given me an all new appreciation for nitpicky stuff.
Also, it suddenly occurs to me that AC takes care of its volunteers by giving them gifts based on the time they've spent working (with a staff signature); i'm not sure how one would best account for the time the camerafolk spend shooting, since they're constantly scanning for a shot but only actually shooting for a few seconds here and there. Gaahhh.
I don't think it's an idea that ought to be completely scrapped, all in all; it is a good thought. I do think it might take several years to work out the logistics in a way that keeps it from being really unwieldy and burdensome for everyone involved, tho. And that's in the midst of keeping all of the other balls in the air.
Wow, i sound oddly staffish. I'm not, really.
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> Would it help if the Photo Director told the Photographers
> that when ever they were about to take a picture, they had
> to ask the people in front of them to move to the side for
> a little while (when applicable of course, don't want to
> be rude)? Would it also help to include a pamphlet that
> told the AC Goers about the AC Photographers and what they
> are doing and how to recognize them? Just an idea.
Well, we do not want to bother our members who are otherwise enjoying the convention. Asking people to "step out of the way so I can take this picture"... might come off as being a bit rude.
Keep in mind that Pamphlet stuffing requires one or more people to stuff 2,500+ bags that registration gives out. More volunteer hours.
> > The Cockroach wrote:
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> > There is also The Foxden, which has huge galleries of
> > photos taken by folks at various conventions, including Anthrocon.
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> I went through that one too, and its pretty much like
> Tugrik's, but full not as great (quality wise) pics.
How would pictures taken by either staff or volunteers necessarily be of any better quality? If you want Really Good Quality photographs, you're going to need Really Good Quality photo equipment. We're talking like $1,000 cameras here. That's a little beyond what most people have, and probably won't make its way into our budget unless there is a large demand.
As I stated before, if you (or anyone else) would like to take pictures around the con on your own, be our guest. And if we see sufficient demand for convention-wide photos in future years, we'll definitely consider it.
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I think he actually meant for the camera folk to scooch the beasties being photographed, not the folk being avoided, but the point stands. It seems like an extra burden to lay on the photographers, having to explain why they need to ask photographees to move to one side over and over. Plus, as you say, most ppl just kinda want to keep doing what they're doing undisturbed. Many of them really don't mind appearing in pictures at all, as long as they don't have to be aware of it.
It's all fun and games, to someone's paws are all-over papercuts... *grin*
After the first few hours, we'd start racing each other down the assembly line to deal with the boredom. By the end of the second day, we mostly just tried not to think too much about how much our hands, feet, and knees hurt. *sighs* Good times.
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How would this help us put on a better convention? In the past people have suggested we to a live TV feed -- apart from being impractical because of technical issues, I think it's more important to provide an interesting and fun convention that people can participate in. Sucking up a dozen or more volunteers' time taking pictures doesn't strike me as the best use of that scarce and valuable resource, especially when dozens of people already freely share their pictures.
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Ouch, thats a little harsh Peter.
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The gentleman did not mean to be harsh. He was just trying to point out, and I need to re-emphasize, that while your idea sounds like a lot of fun, we do not have the resources at this time to make it workable. For now, we'll have to content ourselves with the existing photo sites, and take the good with the bad.
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This seems like a trivial matter really... I mean, when it comes down to it, I take my own pictures, and share them within my group of friends, plus I also like looking at the pictures on Timduru's site. So far from what I've seen in the past, there doesn't appear to be much of a need for an official photographer or anything like that really... when it comes down to it, if you want pictures of an event, I say take 'em yourself. Once you're there, you'll know that Anthrocon is not hard to remember haha!
In my opinion, having photographers hired specifically to take pictures of the events seems a little unnecessary.
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