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I just got back from FWA 2 weeks ago, and there was a female-fur only meet-up/discussion panel. It was small, but it was very satisfying, and maybe one of the highlights of the con for me. While cons & the fandom are still predominantly male, there's a growing female presence at fur cons, especially amongst the artists/suiter groups. AC's a pretty big con, and I know ALOT of female furs who're going to be there. So it would be a shame if there wasn't some kind of female fur oriented panel or programming. I don't know, SOMETHING. Like a female-fur meetup & discussion like at FWA. Or a female suiter meet & greet. Anyone interested in organising? Cause I think it would be really bad@ss to get something like this rolling and more regular at cons, especially at something like AC. :3 |
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Normally(As a woman), i'm against any kind of pro-feminist antying, as it impedes the 'equality' we so strive for by setting down segregative barriers.
I'm usually stuck in my room fixing other peepz' suits to get invited 
But I'd totally be down for some kind of 'hey, you have bewbz? So do I! Lets talk about suits/something not related to bewbz at all!'
However: As there are quite a few things in the furry fandom that can only be enjoyed by males(We shan't go into details), something exclusively female to kick the balance into place might be nice. There is a female-suiter thingie that latinvixen does occasionally, I believe, but its' invite only(I think?). HellifIknow
(And yes, that entire post was littered with sarcasm for those occasional humorless individuals who troll the boards looking for something to get offended at - But seriously I'm totally down with some Madchen mit PfelzKleid aktion!) I'll probobly see you around somewhere, if my name(Artslave) isn't on the boards already. I think I saw you at FWA, besides. I was the chick in the elevator who said "Omg you're heavily tattoed. liez".
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Alot of people get the wrong idea about feminism. It's not about hating on the guys, it's about building up the ladies
. I'm not looking to segregate male furs, I'm more interested in building ties within the larger female community.
As a female in the fandom, I have very few female friends on the IRL that that are furs. Finding a level of connectivity or commonality within a heavily male dominated environment can sometimes be difficult beyond, say, a wholly online community. like LJ, or myspace, or whatnot. A chance to touch base with other female furs in meatspace is quite a treat in and of itself.
I think as a whole, coming into the fandom, new or old, we have a distinctly different angle to things than the male furs. Sometimes it's nice to touch base and be like "hey, I'm here too. yeah, I'm into the same things".
I'm not proposing like.. workshops or anything super organised. Just a casual gathering and/or discussion would be really cool. Especially something that's not shoehorned into a latenight timeslot running parralel to a major event (like at FWA).
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I just realized who you are! Hah! you and I seriously need to talk. some-shubniggurath action indeed.
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::Explodes::
Angel of Disease! Yog Sogoth, Ia, Ia!
Shub Niggurath, Black Goat of the Woods with a thousand young!!
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on a completely non topic related note, I seriously think there is some serious fursuit potential for an outer gods group.
shoggoth would be rather cute. all eyes and tentacles and churning little mouths..
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I would totally want to do a nyarlethotep suit, as "The black man". Nice suit, have a mask with no eyes, mouth or nose, just obsidian skin and hands. That would be super. But yes, we totally need outer/elder gods fursuits. (wait another year, for furfright '08. Mwahahaha..)
Location: Roseville, CA, USA
All my instincts are screaming at me to "leave it be", but I just have to ask - for the details!
"Quite a few things...that can only be enjoyed by males". Considering the number of top-flight femme artists in our genre, it can't be the creation of art. Granted, the prevalence of cheesecake portraits is higher than beefcake, and what beefcake there is seems to be in the adult-section, and usually not drawn to attract femme interest, but I blame that on the creative-side. Other than that - what?
Perhaps the most testosterone-laden furry convention was ZonieCon, with such diversions as a trip to the Davis-Monthan military aircraft boneyard, the Pima County Air Museum, rocket launches, and a trips to fire off pistols, rifles, and machineguns...
...You know what? I have an Mpeg of Lisa Sample (Lisa Linx/Nicole the Chromat) firing off a clip from a german 'greasegun', and getting pistol instruction from Karno, the world's tallest Icelander. Lisa with a Machinegun...
But a distaff-side furry function? Sounds good to me, I don't think any of the males could have a reasonable objection.
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You can suggest this by clicking the "Suggest a Panel" link to the left.
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I think it would be great to have us girls get together. I was actually surprised how many girls there were in the fandom, as most of my fur friends are guys, and in the few local fur meets I've been to are mostly male. So, consider me there, if it's a go.
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I'm up for this too. But I think this goes into internet statistics. Maybe the ratio of male to female fur pops are 1:1. Just that males tend to use the internet to meet new people while females tend to just stick with their cliches and gab X3 So it's not really a matter of the population growing of femmes but femmes finally saying, "HEY I'M HERE TOO!"
There's female furries? I'm joking of course, saposedly females make up 20% of the fandom or AC attendance, i forget which. Any ways, I think such a thing would be positive save for the nosey males who would be like "Hey, what's happening in here?" if you used one of the main rooms for a get together. Having some thing like this would be best for a room party like most of the other groups have, simply make up a sign to put down in the main lobby on the announcements board for a "Fem-only" get together in what ever room number. That way there's no scheduling conflicts with other events (do it at night) and you don't have to get up and kick a guy out every other second.
On the silly side I MUST ask, when you have a fem-only event, is that those born a fem or those who identify themselves as such as this might be brought up. I fit neither myself but have seen this become a problem else where.
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I guess you missed the "this topic is nearly a year out of date" disclaimer.
Anyway, the programming suggestion form is here. We're always looking for ideas of what people want to see (particularly if they are willing to put the panel on themselves).
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
I, too, like the idea. I don't necessarily think it would have to be in private space in order to draw limits on the attendance, though we might have to have one girl sit by the door to politely and quietly explain what's going on if a guy stuck his nose in by mistake, so we wouldn't have to interrupt the flow. That's what another group i belong to usually did when they held gender fishbowls and they didn't want folks coming in late.
If we held a female specific event, i would hope that we'd welcome trans folks who are living as women, but that's just me.
Sometime it might also be interesting to have some sort of discussion of furriness and gender issues, open to all; it seems like there are a lot of interesting quirks and issues that i've really only seen come up among furries, where the gender balance is deeply skewed and most take gender to be malleable, particularly when you add in their online selves. But maybe that's only interesting to me. :shrugs:
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Sounds interesting, I'd def go if there was some sort of maybe "heads off meet and greet" along with you can have the choice to take it off or not. Meeting some of the other female furries / artists would be nice ^.^
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A female-fur function! (Holy alliteration, Batman!)Sounds like a blast! And Kage's suggestion of putting it up as a "suggestion" to the AC people is something that needs to be done. I'd def. be interested, as most of my fellow furs are male and it would be nice just to relax and meet other females in the fandom! (Last AC it was four guys and myself in a car for the trip...and for the hotel...it was interesting...fun...but interesting.)
“O tiger's heart wrapped in a woman's hide!”
....Shakespeare really knew what he was talking about sometimes....
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I think we'll be doing this again this year. Although it'll likely be just a room party unless Kage-san authorises it. If so, then that'd be just fabulous. I imagine it'd just be a meet and greet, not one of those LOL NO BOIS ALLOWED. Just somewhere for all like.. 4 of us, lol.. to get together and be like LOL HALLO. Anyways, will wait on kage's word, I'm putting in for the panel now.
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA, Earth, Milky Way,
Not that I'm against this or anything, But I'd just like to mention that as far as I'm aware, men at cons, at leat the ones I know and interact with, don't really exclude women from their 'interests'. Doesn't this exclude men from part of the convention? Like I said I'm not against this, In fact it'll be great if i becomes part of the con, but will men be aloud to participate? And yes I'm aware this post is over a year old.
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This seems like as good a place as any to post this
Ron
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA, Earth, Milky Way,
mreow, I hope what I said doesn't come off as offensive. That was really not my intention.
-Rawr
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I wasn't offended, I just wanted an excuse to share that comic
Ron
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
Does furry female-specific programming exclude males? In a way, yes, i suppose it does.
I guess the way i feel about programming specifically for female furs is the same way i would feel about programming specifically for furs of color, or the way i do about the greymuzzle programming--that sometimes, in order to make you feel comfortable being in the minority, you need a little time to commune with other folks who are coming from the same place you are. If the males of the furry world felt like they needed a space to talk about being male and furry without females, i'd be ok with that, too. And of course i'd hope that any female-specific programming would also actively welcome any transgendered/gender-queer/transitioning folks living as women.
As for males coming to that programming...i think it would depend on what kind of programming it was. Some kinds of programming, it might be fine; with others, i might prefer that males either not come or come but in a listening capacity. Some kinds of gender issues are just kind of sensitive, so it's hard to bring them up in mixed company. Does that make any sense?
Of course, that's just me.
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I assume you meant "If the males of the furry world felt like they needed a space without females to talk about being male and furry"; the former is too obvious a straight line
Ron
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA, Earth, Milky Way,
That makes sense to me, I can understand where you are coming from. For the most part at least Men are vain, egotistical, unresponsive, and sometimes just mean for no reason. In case no one can tell, I am male. And I'm sure if men attended the panel and caused an issue those responsible would eject them from the festivities. But for some of us who would actually be interested in attending this panel, yet lack the prerequisite, should be allowed to attend provided they behave themselves.
Now I really don't have many female fur friends, I think the total is about 1, and I really even get to see her anymore. Maybe if this panel happens men would come, and you know those males attending this would be a decent guy if they care about women enough to attended, might serve as a meeting ground between genders in an otherwise impossible social interaction environment. Not just for relationship purposes but so we can all have more female furry friends.
maybe I'm being didactic and if I am I apologize. But if women are going to strive for equality in this world then they can't deprive things to the men who deprived them of equality. If that makes any sense. Thanks for listening, I'm going to leave before I get in trouble for turning this post into an equal rights forum.
-Rawr
(As an aside: Ron, thanks for posting that Roomies guest strip. I loved that one
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But if women are going to strive for equality in this world then they can't deprive things to the men who deprived them of equality. If that makes any sense.
Kaze, I can see where you're coming from. The notion of an event where the door is shut in the face of the menfolk may seem a tad mean-spirited, and not "the Right Thing(tm)" that ought to be the case. But you have to keep in mind that a mixed-sex social environment---and especially one where the sex ratio skews heavily male---often demands that the women keep up their guard, in certain ways. For example:
It's nice for the women to have an environment where they can forget about all those obstacles, and just be themselves with other women. It's not much different than what the cigar smoke-filled rooms of old were for us guys---a place where we could go and be candid with each other, without girlfriends or wives being privy to what was said. (Nowadays, it might be something like a fantasy football league meeting. Remember that scene in Knocked Up?)
I don't think the issue of gender equality really plays into this, even. Masculinity and femininity will remain two distinct entities, even once we've achieved equality---they won't be as polarized as they are now, or as unbalanced in favor of the former, but you'll still have "male bonding" and "sisterly spirit" and so on.
And with all that said, we're still just talking one single function, out of hundreds at Anthrocon, that is XX-only. I agree that males and females getting along in harmonious mixed company is a good thing... and we have the whole rest of the con to do it
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iSKUNK!
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The aspects you mention are some of it, though not quite what i was getting at, personally.
--I love all of the guys in my life, but sometimes i find it therapeutic to call my mother or some other female and vent about frustrating male behavior. I daresay my male friends must feel the need to do the same sometimes about frustrating female behavior. Doesn't mean we don't still adore each other, or recognize that that behavior isn't strictly male or female; just means that sometimes we need some space to growl.
--There are things that many or most of us who are bi or straight do, sometimes without even knowing it, around others of the opposite gender. Most of it is probably about posturing in order to make ourselves feel or seem more attractive, i imagine. And i remember it being even more intense around my teenage years, which is where a lot of AC attendees are. Sometimes it helps to talk about stuff if you're not worried about what anyone thinks. I imagine a lot of men's groups would have a hard time too, if their meetings had women sitting around listening to them and throwing in comments.
--There's this dating thing, you know? Furry females are still pretty rare, and, for a certain segment of the population, very sought after. So i have this vision of a furry femme event, open to all, where it just gets mobbed by every furry male who's looking for a girlfriend and wants to a. scope out the possibilities, b. get the inside scoop on how to attract a furry girl, or c. make himself look more attractive by showing up to listen to a lot of girl talk. Maybe i'm just being cynical.
Kaze, dear, I fully recognize that there are an awful lot of guys our there who are really mature, sensible, wonderful folks and would know exactly how to behave themselves in such an environment. The majority of furry males i know are exactly that. But i'm not sure how we'd really know the difference between one type and another just showing up at the door, and i'm not sure if every furry female who'd want to attend a furry female event (are there many?) would be ready to completely trust those males who came and let down their guard. Some women have a lot of scars when it comes to men.
Of course, if folks decide that they'd like some mixed gender time talking about gender, we could certainly schedule that, too. It's all a matter of what, if anything, people feel a need for. One option i could see, though it would be hard with the gender imbalance, would be to hold a gender fishbowl like i've seen in some high school-aged programs:
Each person, as they desires, writes one or two questions on a slip of paper, then puts those slips into the bag for questions for that gender. There are two rounds; questions for either gender get reused for both rounds. Then, for each round, one gender sits around the outside and listens silently while members of the other gender stand to individually answer questions from their own experience. Ideally, it's done in a safe space, with a closed door so that you don't have people coming in or out constantly, and you don't talk about what was said afterwards or stand to comment on what someone else has said. Basically, it's a way for folks to ask questions that they wouldn't feel comfortable asking anyone in person, and to pass on some of their thoughts on issues without having any gossip spread all over the community.
Alternately, if folks wanted a more unstructured time, we could have an open discussion about gender issues and furry, open to all. There's no reason why we couldn't have that and any gender-specific events that folks wanted, really, unless KP starts running out of space. Even then i'm sure we could find some way to accommodate the concern.
Reaching gender equality doesn't mean that we have to be exactly the same and get exactly the same things; it just means that we need the freedom to be who we are and get what we need without worrying about whether that's what we're supposed to need. In one community i'm involved with, the programmers of the group ask every year if the attendees want male- and female-specific gender groups to talk about stuff. At various times, each group has died while the other was going really strong and been resurrected another year. It just had to do with how many men or women there were who wanted to talk about men/women stuff.
:pause: Wow, that was long-winded. I guess i just really had a lot on my mind with this stuff. :shrugs:
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Sooo...
I'm a little surprised people are still posting on this thread almost a year after I originally posted this. For all the back and forth talk, I'd like to make my stance clear. first off, the original intention of this post was about suggesting some kind of -IDEA- for lady-furs to get together and hang out. I wasn't suggesting a panel per se, although that'd be a great idea. We had a small little hanging-out session thing at FWA and it was rather grand.
I've got alot of female friends I only really get a chance to see at cons due to geographical hinderance. It's also really cool to meet new people and get a chance to hang out. honestly, I like to hang out with other ladies because theres a sense of comonality/familiarity inherent in being a minority within a majority group, especially one that's predominatly male dominated. Also there's alot of interesting perspectives/amusing anecdotes that can be shared.
the afore-mentioned "sisterly spirit"
Generally this, as skanrashke would attest to, translates into in realtime as: "Zomg ladies, lets go get some drinks & some food!". Like at MFF, we hit up Olive Garden with a small group & had some wine.
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"But if women are going to strive for equality in this world then they can't deprive things to the men who deprived them of equality. If that makes any sense. - Kaze Lion"
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Excuse me, where did this come from?
Do you know what that translates into for me? What I'm getting from reading this commentary is: "baaaawww I'm a guy! why do women want to exclude meeee from their girly clubhouse meeting!? Boo-hoo."
For starters, I don't want to exclude you. I don't even know you. Do I want to hang out with you? who knows!?
However, Furry cons, specifically Anthrocon, are notoriously total Sausage festivals. There's really no getting around the fact that these cons are traditionally male dominated, however you want to argue or rationalize it. For me, I'm constantly around guys at the con all the time, whether I'm out fursuiting, or hanging out with friends, going out to eat, etc. -CONSTANTLY- around guys all the time. jesus christ, men as far as the eye can see. dudes everywhere. zomg.
Do I want to hang out with guys all the time? Honestly? No, i really don't. TBQH, Sometimes it's super great to get away from all that. It's nice to have space where I can talk about things that don't relate to the male sphere of infulence.
Please don't get all bent out of shape because some girls would like to hang out together and don't want to hang out with you.
:3
PS: Completely, totally unrelated, Where in philly do you live, Kaze?
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
*wrysmiles* I'll admit to feeling a bit of that myself, when i first read his comment. I can sort of see where he's coming from--for some guys, it can be harder to grasp that we're (or at least i'm) not against gender segregated events in general, just the ones that that are gender segregated for no particularly good reason. As far as i'm concerned, it's fine to make an event gender-specific, as long as there's something about that event that explains why it's segregated. The point of the event that i hear you describing is to allow girls a chance to hang out together and bond, so it makes sense.
Or at least not right that second. *cheerfulsmiles* There will be other opportunities...
Clearly he's already chosen the best city for furs to be in, after all. *buffs talons and grins*
("Sausage festivals," heh... not sure I'll see Oktoberfest in the same light again ^_^)
At the risk of getting ambushed by Kage ("Great idea! You're in charge!"), I think a panel on gender issues and the fandom would be fantastic. This isn't something that generates a lot of visible drama at cons, but the comments here show that it's always been the elephant in the room.
I can't say much for how such a panel might be structured---anonymous question submission sounds good, maybe a "Things we would like you to know" section, etc. Anything that takes this unspoken, unwritten beast by the horns and grapples with it, head-on. Where points that might be awkward to discuss one-on-one between the sexes can be handled without anyone losing face.
Part and parcel of our progress toward gender equality is demystifying the other side. It's trite to say, "women are human beings too," but a lot of guys don't fully grasp the implications of that---the whole "I'm a person, not a concept" sort of thing. Such a panel could very well help with that.
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iSKUNK!
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
If you're willing to co-spearhead this idea, i think i might like to work on this. I agree with you that it seems like there's a lot here to talk about--both from a generalized 'oh gee, how do we deal with these strange folks of another gender' perspective and from a 'are there things we can or should do to make a better experience for all genders' perspective, and it seems like something that might generate a lot of interest. That is, if you don't mind me working with you on it. *smiles*
I'm pathetic at public speaking, and my time is pretty limited--i'm already promised to the art show for a significant amount of my time, and i may have another ball or two to keep in the air--but i think i can make it work.
Maybe we could talk about this more over email or IM?
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the "Sausage festival" quote is actually taken from an episode of Metalacolypse, although It felt totally appropriate to apply to this particular scenario.
I've got some public speaking experience, although I'm not a particularly huge fan of it. But I would probably have the time to help. I mean, all I do at AC is suit like a madwoman. if this actually turned into something, I could possibly persuade a few outspoken ladies(Anjelkitty, Midori, Skanrashke) to chip in their 2 cents.
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Sounds like a good start to me. I'd love it if we could get a guy or two and maybe someone who's trans/gender queer involved as well, though, so we can put together a program that might appeal to everyone.
Hey, iSkunk! Any interest, if'n you don't have to put it together alone?
I had envisioned myself as a rapt attendee, but come to think of it, this is something I'd really like to see happen. All right, I'm in. I'm not sure what I'm in for, but I'll do what I can :-]
Watch your inbox for a PM. I do have a lot else on my plate, so I definitely can't do this alone, but the subject is near and dear to me and I'll be glad to help in whatever way I can.
T's and Q's could be well-served by this as well, though I'm at a loss to imagine what particulars they would like to discuss. If you know any, and they're interested, their input would be valuable.
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iSKUNK!
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I do need to insert a small reminder here: this is a furry convention. Keep that in mind when planning a particular talk or panel.
Once the final idea is developed it should be submitted via this link.
Gender issues are particularly susceptible to scope creep, so we'll keep that in mind. Though the topic is not directly furry, it should be at least as relevant as ScruffyPuppy's "Safety Furst" panel (at FurFright).
Desteredra: I see you've disabled your Contact tab, so send me a PM when you have a chance.
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iSKUNK!
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That was Furfright, though. Anthrocon tries to stay as on-topic as possible. There are many other forums for such discussions, and unless these issues intend to be discussed specifically as they relate to Furry Fandom, we would rather those other forums be employed.
I don't like off-topic con events any more than the rules allow, and we'll keep this in mind.
The idea is something to help con attendees navigate their way with fellow con-goers of other genders, due to difficulties presented by the fandom's social scene---not an open-ended academic discussion of the sort typically hosted by universities.
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iSKUNK!
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
I agree--my sense is definitely that we're looking in the direction of a 'gender issues in the furry community' kind of thing. Given the fact that there is such a tendency for topic drift, though, if you or KP feel more comfortable, i personally don't mind sending some additional notes about how we want to run this panel, once mirabem and iskunk and i have sorted this out into a proper proposal.
I'm even open to making this not an official event, or not holding it at all, if it turns out that we can't get this idea really solidly on-topic. I like this idea, but i'm not deeply invested in it yet, personally, so whatever you and KP feel is appropriate is fine with me. *smiles*
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Personally Kage, I think that Gender issues within the fandom play a rather large role, as it can directly relate to which extent one is involved within the community, and at what level. Alot of women come into the fandom from a different perspective than the majority of men. It'd be kind of nice to clear up alot of the 'mysticism' around this.
If you're worried about it turning into an "adult panel" debacle, I don't really see the worry, nor the possibility of a negative conotation being picked up. It has as much relevance as a greymuzzle discussion or any of the 'how to plan a furmeet' panels.
It's also very progressive, and it speaks directly to the fandom itself from a core point & helps build community bonding through understanding. I would, however, be very choosey about the name of such a panel. Something like "Gender Perspectives within the Fandom". Something neutral. File under "social".
sho nuff.
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
My sense from what kage's said is more that he's worried that this will go from 'gender issues in furry' to just being 'gender issues', which begs the question of why it needs to me specifically at AC. I feel pretty safe that we can make this work in a way that's solidly furry, though, don't you? *smiles*
iskunk and i have just begun talking about how we might put this together. I see that you, like me, have your contact thingy disabled. If you use the forum's system to bounce an email to iskunk, though, he should be able to send you the conversation to date, so we can all start emailing about this together. He's got some really interesting ideas.
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I actually just enabled my email feature thingy, so feel free to hit me up
Location: Philadelphia area, PA
Sure, i can do that.
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Ummm...what's a PM?
Private message
It'll go to my e-mail inbox.
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iSKUNK!
wow, guess I shouldn't have got this whole thing regoing... As Ithik I mentioned before, a pannel might be looked down upon by male congoers and I think the original post was suggesting a get together. No one can say what happens in room parties (though the AC staff wants you to keep it quiet and orderly) so a get-together in a room would be fine and no males would complain that I can think of. It would be no different then the trany parties I knew about or the area specific parties, if you weren't a transgender you didn't go to the trany party and if you didn't live in that area of the country, you didn't go to that party. I've seen all sorts of parties posted on the wall, open to any who fit the type of folks listed on the sign so a fem-only party would be no different.
But a pannel might get people going. The best way to avoid it would be when a guy walks in, change the topic to some thing that would bother guys and drive them out, though you might get some weirdos who would sit in because of it.
The only way to really do a pannel without problems is to have it in your hotel room. Its your room and you allow in who you want. I really don't think most guys are going to see a sign for a fem-only pannel in their room and make there way up in search of it; while a pannel in one of the panel rooms would get bored people just wandering into them.
Heck, why not just have a bar run with the girls? A girls only trip to the pitts' zoo. A girls only movie night, ect.
I'd love to see more girls running around AC and if there were more fem-only functions it might make them feel safer and more will show up. Sure we might get some feminiist or man-haters but we've over 2000 people every year from all walks of life so I'm sure we've the opposite side of that as well.
Guys just need to forget their little ego trips and let you girls have fun too.
The panel and the XX-only event are separate affairs. No one's arguing against female-fur-specific programming; the panel idea came from the notion that hey, there's this unusual tension between the boys and the girls at events like this, why not throw the spotlight on that?
The panel would, of course, be aimed at a co-ed audience. The discussion is meant to enlighten both sides
(Potentially more than that, if TG topics make it in)
P.S.: Man-haters suck, but what's wrong with feminists?
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iSKUNK!
ok, now I'm intrigued. What sort of co-ed pannel could you suggest where boys sit on one side and girls on the other to talk about the differances between them and how they relate to the fandom?
I'm open minded and all but, some thing like that seems like it'd get peole against the other sexes more then bring them together, sort of like going to a comedy club with mixed races and then having the comics joke around about particular ones.
I can see a male only or female only pannel but, could you give me a example of what you suggest for a co-ed pannel?
P.S. what is wrong with a feminist is that any "ist" isn't a good thing as "ist" implies a extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of a group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.
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OK, I think this thread is heading in a direction we'd rather it didn't.
The suggestion has been made. I am sure that the interested parties will be in touch with Programming, and if we can fit such a panel in (and there are many, many factors we use in deciding which events to use in the schedule), we will surely do so.