So how did everyone feel how the way handing out the fursuit badges went?
I know early on people in partial suits were being told that they couldn't get one right away
and people who only had heads and paws but no feet.
They did eventually start giving them out later in the con so they would have gotten a lower number.
How about handing them out to a set schedual they had?
There was some initial confusion about the badges...but we seemed to get it cleared up pretty quickly.
Essentially, the requirement is NOT a full fursuit, but it is a partial with head, hands, feet, and tail. This was because it is supposed to be for "fursuits" and not general costumes. (Sorry, a computer head didn't count.) There needs to be some type of minimum requirement...so that was the decision.
I know that the decision was made to not give them all out on Friday, but to allow specific numbers to be given out at certain times each day. We also were trying not to have any numbers other than the first 20 reserved for anyone. Numbers 69 and 800 were pre-pulled for the charity auction. I also had 2 random ones just pulled when I walked up for promotional purposes...to display the various colors. The first 20 went to to staff and guests who could not get off duty for most of the day to make certain they could receive them. I know that some people did manage to "pull" a number at some point to have it held...which was against the process we had set up...so we will work on that not happening next year.
Also...last year we had 850 suits in the parade, and had 700 tags made. I requested 800 tags this year anticipating it would be enough. We ended up with over 1000 fursuits in the parade, and I counted at least 30 suits along the aprade route that were watching and not participaitng. So I know we had way fewer tags than suiters. Unfortuately, the parade is used for gauging the number of tags we order. So I'll see what can be done next year.
Please advise us on what can be done to make the process better.
Even with the minor confusion things worked out pretty good
Well I was able to get one with my "suit".
It had head, arms, feet, tails, but sadly since finding a longsleeve shirt at AC is HARD, and I didn't want to wear my fullsuit and get it and my under armor all sweaty from extended use until Saturday for the Parade then Sunday for the games (Which in the end, it was pretty wet. Underarmor plus deoderant helped for only so long, lol) and because of this, I was wearing a short sleeve shirt still, so my elbows were, sadly exposed.
I had elbow pads I could wear, but they dug into my skin and hurt after wearing it for a while.
I did notice they were identical to last year's badges, but I do have to ask.
Was the fact that in 2011, the dog is wearing a dragon's body, and in 2012, the dog is holding a dragon's head, intential?
It's like they go together.
And I did manage to get a longsleeve shirt eventually... had to walk down by the Omni to the Burlington Coat Factory and buy one for $10
Actually...this year's tag was designed to incorporate a scene from "A Mid Summer Night's Dream". The dog is taking off an ass head....because that's part of the Shakespearean story.
Getting mine was pretty easy. I went when it was dying down on Friday JUST before they ran out of their 400 badges they were giving out that day. I was badge #331. I avoided the line completely, 'cept save a few people ahead of me. But as aforementioned, I heard the stories of those that stood in line for a half hour or more just to go up to the table to be told they could not get one due to minor skin showing, or not having feet paws, etc.
Yeah, my skin was showing on my arms but they did let me have one. I had to explain to them that I did have a fullsuit, but was not wearing it until Saturday as too much use in it would make the underarmor become wet with sweat, and then the underarms of the suit itself would eventually become wet too, and then i'd have to spend time drying everything. Took a few minutes, but then they gave me one.
My last ditch effort would have been pulling my camera out and showing the pictures of me in fullsuit to prove that I had one.
I didn't even know what was going on when I started seeing them. = /
I didn't even know there were seperate fursuit badges until I saw a tweet which had a photo of 'suiters waiting in line for fursuit badges' or some such tag. When I remembered to accost one of the staff wearing one, he said that they were being given out in batches of 40 or so if you were in suit at a particular place at a particular time. As I was staffing, those requirements made it somewhat tricky and I ended up not getting one.
I'm not complaining about not having one - there's no way the number of suiters could have been anticipated, but did I miss an announcement somewhere about when they were being given out ? (I haven't even looked through the conbook yet, so maybe I missed something in there)
I believe they explained them at opening ceremonies (showed them off, etc) but only that the ConOps guys walking around would be giving them out and such.
Never heard them say they would be in batches of 40 or anything like that.
The one I got was from one who was sitting outside the Spirit Ballroom.
As for the Fursuit Badges, they did explain where to go to get those, as when I went outside, I had to stand in the line for about 30 minutes XD
I don't feel like there was much of a problem here. I didn't have any problems getting mine. First time suiting this year, so we didn't know quite when they'd be made available, so when it was announced, we changed our plans for the day and ran up to the room to get in suit. There was a substantial line for the elevators, we didn't especially hurry, and when we got back to the operations area, we just waited in line and ended up somewhere in the mid 200s.
I feel like all of it was explained well in the opening ceremony, which is something I'd highly recommend attending, since it will contain information on the con in general. It was explained that there was only 800 of these, where to get them, and when they'd be available. Keep in mind that a line full of suiters isn't all that boring. Afterward, we went down to the dealer's room and derped around, where we found no line remaining.
It all went very smoothly.
My friend Arzus and I got right into line and snagged some on the first day, as well as the slap bands from the Dorsai. :3 I got #262 for the badge, #51 for the slap band.
I really like both of them-- I felt ultra-special, even though there were so many. xD
i did m aange to get my fursuit badge my friend at 8 am was liek hey are you going to get your badge and i'm like badge? and shes like yeah i gotta get dressed so i'm like ok. well i had heard earlier there had to be fur everywhere i don't acutly have feetpaws yet so i just use furry boot covers. we got ours early sat morning. was there a difference for the colors? i got a blue one and soemone who got thres on friday got a yellow one. but this raises the question if you don't have feetpaws yet but have everything else in a partial, tail head and arms could you still qauilfy for a partial if you keep no skin showing?
Ahh - I was unable to attend the opening ceremonies as I was working registration. That would explain it though - thanks
One of the Dorsai came up to my boyfriend after we had waited from the back of the long line to, like, "three people to go" and said they wouldn't give him a badge because he didn't have feet paws on.
We ignored him and still got a badge. We weren't trying to be rude but after waiting for so long it was more of a, okay, we'll just find out for ourselves at this point sort of deal.
I didn't think feet should be a requirement anyway. He had comically oversized boots on that were a part of the costume. And paws can be hard to wear if a person has issues with they feet.
It was a messy process. Me and my life partner learned only half way thru that partials with no feet were no allowed to get the badge. We decided to try and get one anyway. why? because we had been waiting for already 20 minutes, because I disagreed with this rule and consider my partial a fursuit, because this rule was not stated when the badges handout had been announced.
Once at the table, the lady, Uncle Kage's mom, gave us one each with no problem. Then, the guy behind us was denied because of another lady coming and enforcing the odd rule.
I think showing no skin is a logical rule, but no feet paws = no a real fursuit..? I disagree with that.
While I disagree with this definition of what a fursuit is or isn't, I do realize this is only one opinion and open to debate. Where I will stand firm is on the announcement and application of the rule. Makes things clear at the beginning, then stick to what you said.
No feet means no fursuit? Alright. I disagree, but I'm not the one handing out free goodies. You hand out goods, you make the rules. But say it is so before the line is forming, and keep rules the same for all the time. This guy behind us waited for 45 minutes to be told he wasn't qualifying, after seeying others dressed like him get one, right in his face.
- State your rules
- Let people form the line
- Stick to your rules
As an Anthrocon Staffer who has in the past 3 years helped "wrangle" the fursuit line for the special fursuit badges I will agree on a lot of the above points.
It seemed this year, much more than others, there was a newer policy and procedure in place, that was not clearly announced, and not unilaterrally enforced.
Only AFTER I had made the initial line up directly after Opening Ceremonies did I learn about the "no feetpaws/no badges" rule. I did not envy having to be one of the first ones to go back through the line and warn off others who did not meet the criteria. It made for more difficult process, not smoother and easier. It was my previous impression that significant elements of a fursuit worn merited a badge so long as you took the effort to wait your turn and wait in line, exactly like one should. I dont know what changed about this year specifically.
While I know we are generally aiming that full suits or 'complete partials' to get some preference, I believe discretion for "three eleements out of four" can also be an acceptable guideline for handing them out within the line. The wearer makes the effort. A wait in line in turn. If any other full suit or 'complete partial' misses out on the badge as a result because an attendee was in line and got the badge before them.. it is more the onus on them that they should have been in line earlier and waiting too, just like everyone else who wishes to have the special tag. Otherwise it makes Staff institute seemingly last minute slapped together policies and procedures that dont get communicated easily and dont get followed coherently...and it makes all of us staffers, plus the con itself look ... shall we say... foolish?
As a member of Staff, I can only hope to say the rules, and format and announcements of those same chosen rules (and maybe previous written posting on website) will be clearer and open for better allowances and exceptions for 2013 so we dont have to face the uneven handed enforcements and miscommunications in line that we faced this specific year.
See, according to me, my partial is complete. I don't have any feet paws, I don't want any. Simply because that's how I like fursuits the best. It's cute, not too warm, it allows some freedom of movement, it's balanced alright. You can't see any skin, it's anthropomorphic and cute.
It's really the only thing that made me wince, AC was absolutly great
i have trouble walking myself. so for me feetpaws might cause me to trip. and i think that if they were going to say you had to have fur everywhere they should let people know. all they were saying in line was no skin showing. i hate for people to wait in line for 30 to 45 mintues. to just get to the front of the line and be told nope your outfit isnt good enough you can't get one. i myself was stressing out the whole time in line. i s my outfit good enough. i thinkt hat as long as you have the majority bits and you have no skin showing you should be fine. so the lady at the front was uncle kages mother? nice lady.
For the slap band, I found one, and it was a pretty low number, So I thought whoever lost this is gonna be pretty upset, so I turned it in to a security lady while I was in line at the gyro place. (I saw em and thought it was a good time)
I hope whoever lost it got it back
Downside was I didnt get one of my own for this year. But you cant get all the swag I guess
As always, I got in line just after opening ceremonies and got mine easily. They didn't have lanyards yet, so Grandma Kage put it on one of my badges. I just missed getting number 42, though. Some bird got it.
The handing out of the badges went okay, but I heard some rants about the handing out of the slap bands. I can understand tricks and things, but some of the Doorsai were giving them out to suits they did like and excusing those they did not.
The tags supplied by the Dorsai are given out at the whim (an iron whim, I might add) of each individual who has them to give. They're not supplied by the convention, and not an official part of anything. They're our way of giving something back, and as such aren't usually given out randomly. We recommend you do something other than just stand there in fursuit, but there is no hard and fast rule.
As an example of the last, two people wandered into conops to turn in a Dorsai-supplied tag they'd found. They could have kept it, but did the right thing. It earned both of them a tag, even though both were in partial suit.
I generally feel that if people truly believe that these are being given out unfairly or with some kind of bias, they are more than welcome to have thousands of them made at their own expense and hand them out as *they* choose. I for one appreciate the sentiment, and despite not having received the slap band myself, fully support the spontenaity that this kind of reward system provides. It gives the Dorsai something they can have fun with, a carrot to dangle in whichever direction they choose, fair or not.
I think we need to remember that these are people who are volunteering to work during a convention that the rest of us are attending. Cut them a little slack.
- The Fursuit Badges we attempt to hand out unambiguously, based on simple and consistent rules, and fairly. They're an official convention distribution, and we want to make sure our policy is costistent; obviously we have to work a bit on such.
- The Slap Bracelets (and before them, the eartags) are utterly based on the whim of the Dorsai who have them; they may show any favoritism, bribability, discretion, or whimsy in the distribution thereof. In this, they're not acting in official Anthrocon capacity.
I've heard all sorts of stories regarding this. People in the headless zone told me while I was on duty these things:
A: There was favoritism going on where if you had a suit by someone known that you got a badge or a slap thing.
B: Different people were operating on different variations of the rules.
C: There was rudeness towards suiters asking to get a slap-stick.
B: That it was being pushed to be a competition.
I cannot say if these things are true having not actually witnessed any of this firsthand. Anyway that's what I heard from people in the Zone.
reguarding hte slapbands i heard sevreal different ways to get them from other suitors one said to ask if they had them. another said to get there attetion and "look cute' another i was told to just..entertain them somehow. i saw sevreal suitrs get the band and i think it was just whatever dorsai you happeennd to find if you lucked out. i walk with a cane so i got lucky when it came to me adn a friend geting our bands. we did the "look cute and sqeak at them" and luckyily it worked.
though.. i don't see how a white tiger adn a jackalope aren't cute. all in all i had a blast ^^ i ended upw ith band 300 and i think she got 301.
near the end of the con i acutly saw the dorsai chase down a fursutior who didint have one tap him ont he shoulder and offer him a bracelet.
i didin't hear anythign about it being a competion. but i also heard of a fursuioter being denied one.
but all in all i think it was handled well. given my experince. the dorsai that i ahd contact with were all very nice.
Ooh I didn't know they were other ones given out. I know about the large fursuit badge that some of my roomies got. I didn't get one of those, but instead got the slap band, #234. I've been wondering for the longest what DI Approved stand for x3
I liked how it was handled though, least it gave us a chance, and having to act cute for the Slap Band made it worth it. Was fun <3
I tend to think that the Dorsai slapbands are given out on the whim of the individual Dorsai, just like the previous migration tags were. See http://www.anthrocon.org/node/4362/whats-those-fursuit-tags for an explanation.
Correct. The bands are tokens of appreciation for doing or being something impressive, and not an entitlement. Asking for them is not impressive. They are not self-esteem trophies.
i think its up to the indidvual dorsai as to what enterains them. its up tot he indivusal personality. you cna't just say youw ant one. but you have to earn it. which is what made it fun.
In short, they are a reward, not an entitlement.
I recieved my band because i was trying my best to put a smile on a small childs face that was scared of us.
some people dont seem to know those 2 words have different meanings. All you can do is make it clear beforehand and offer tissues to those that have a problem with it..maybe a binky or rattle as well
So we will definitely be taking all of the input into account and make the rules clearer. That being said, let me say that YES, partial suits do get the tags. Here is the question: What defines a partial suit? It's really the gray area that people are questioning. I had initially told the staff that partials are allowed, but they needed the following: Head, hand paws, feet paws, and tail. The reason for this is that is the standard definitiion that is used when fursuit builders sell a "partial fursuit". Upon learning that people were balking at this definition, we laxed the rules up around the feet paws. Some fursuiters were equally against partials being able to receive the tags as those in partials were against having to wear a specific list of items. So there was not a way to make everyone happy with the definition.
In the future, we will make a standard definition. Does a person with only a head count? Should it be the definition used by most fursuit builders? Or will it be a prescribed set of criteria that the convention issues? We will hash it out and get it worked out. Just please understand, it's a free item being given out and we needed some guideline as to how to distribute them. We've not had pushback on the footpaw rule in the past, so we'll reevaluate it.
In terms of the Dorsai slap bands....those rules are at the exclusive discretion of the Dorsai. We don't have any jurisdiction over how those are given out.
If I could make a suggestion, how about a "no skin" rule? As long as you are covering everything it should count. I know I'll wear normal shoes instead of my feetpaws when going outside, but I still make sure nothing is too apparent to "kill the magic"
Is there any chance you could reserve a few extra fursuit badges for staff and volunteers next year ? Work schedules don't always allow us to be at the right place at the right time in suit.
Perhaps a few could be kept available at con-ops, and we turn up there in suit when we have a suitable opportunity ?
it's an interesting dilemma of "what defines a fursuit?".
I say this as, well, I guess a 'costumer' in general; my furry persona Taisia (white kitty, who some of you may have seen doing her Con Ops duties after the fursuit parade, no time to change ) has been in fursuit parades going back a number of years at Anthrocon. However, the costume is devised around a one-piece bodysuit of panne velvet, for the furry look, and prosthetics for the feline muzzle.
As a consequence, does she have a specific furry 'head' or 'footpaws'? No, but can you see any "non kitty" there? No, because what little isn't covered by the foam latex prosthetics and the bodysuit is bodypainted (pretty much, my lower jaw).
There was a little umming and erring over whether I had enough for a tag, likewise I know there was around a friend who was doing Kigurimi (ie, bodysuit and head) because of the whole "is this a partial" element.
I know I've been shouted off of #fursuit before on furnet IRC where the definition was solely "it must be a mascot costume or it doesn't count".
Heh... I "bribed" a Dorsai for my slap band by giving a donation to Hello Bully, and a hug. I was rewarded with #68! It was more fun to have to 'work' for that reward.
Also tried singing "Hey Mr DI man, what would it take from me,
To get a place in front of the elevator line?" ala Bob Dylan
His answer? "STOP SINGING!"
I loved watching them be given out even though had no suit this year i did however snag a photo of #42 which i think should have also been pulled for the charity after all we have several geeks in our group
You know as for how to estimate the Quantity of suitors ans such How about on the registration form a selection of check boxes
 full suit
 partial ( head Hand feet tail )
 multiple __ Fullsuits __ Partials
This information could then also possibly used with other annomized data for whatever
I think the registration form asks if you're a suiter .... though I could be confusing it with other conventions.
Whether the 'multiple' option is a good one is another matter - if you're using this to estimate the number of badges to order, and with badges therefore in short supply, surely one per suiter, rather than one per suit, is the fairest ?
Finally, it doesn't cover the 20% (?) who didn't pre-register and therefore a certain degree of "finger in the air" calculation would still have to be done
The registration for Anthrocon does not ask if you are a fursuiter.
And it was 29% of attendees who were On-Site this year, which is a record and very welcomed percentage. I like to see that number go up.
Which number? The total on-site attendees, or the percentage who registered on-site?
(I would think the former given the desire for max. pre-reg...)
The Percentage of Pre-Reg going up!. It's been holding very steady at around 65-67%; and the increase this year to about 71% is promising.
Well that's unfortunate... I unfortunately fell under the category of people who were told that partials didn't get the official Anthrocon fursuiter badges, at all... Unfortunately the person who said it managed to phrase it in such a way that made me rather miffed at them for their arrogance ("Oh, they won't give you one, because you're not a FULL fursuiter") So I ended up not getting one, and then I ended up being so busy during the weekend that I never heard differently, and ended up with few opportunities to even go fursuiting... but alas... Fortunately next year, I'll have my full suit, so certain people who shall remain nameless will not be able to mislead people (and by people I mean myself) that I'm not a real fursuiter because I'll have a real fursuit... that is to say unless they get the idea in their head that I have to have clothing on over my fursuit to count as a fursuiter, or some other silly idea...
Although in an effort to not say who it was, I forgot to mention that this was said to me by someone who was in a position of some marginal amount of authority, who under normal circumstances, I would have trusted to not misinform people, even by accident... (ergo sort of Staff)