Jerry Falwell Dead At Age 73

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Gay Foe Falwell Dead
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

Posted: May 15, 2007 - 1:40 pm ET

(Lynchburg, Virginia) The Rev. Jerry Falwell died Tuesday. He was 73.

Falwell was found unconscious in his office Tuesday and rushed to hospital where he died about an hour later.

Falwell survived two serious health scares in early 2005. He was hospitalized for two weeks with what was described as a viral infection, then hospitalized again a few weeks later after going into respiratory arrest.

Falwell, the founder of the Moral Majority and Liberty University, had a long history of opposing gay rights.

In 1976 he, along with Anita Bryant, led the charge against gay adoption in Florida leading to the most repressive anti-gay adoption law in the US.

Following the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington in 2001 Falwell declared that gays and pro choice advocates were to blame.

Speaking on the 700 Club religious program Falwell said, "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'."

In 2003 Falwell announced that he was putting aside everything to devote his time to passage of a federal constitutional ban on gay marriage.

"I am dedicating my talents, time and energies over the next few years to the passage of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which will protect the traditional family from its enemies who wish to legalize same-sex marriage and other diverse "family" forms," Falwell said.

In the 2004 election campaign he worked with Republicans to use same-sex marriage as a wedge issue.

A week after the November election he announced he was organizing battle plans for what he called an "evangelical revolution." Falwell said that the election showed that Americans want to return to "traditional values".

He promised to roll back gay rights laws in communities across the country.

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yup

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There just *might* be a god after all... Ahh bigots. Glad to see another fall.

*puts on 'Hall of Illusions' by the Insane Clown Posse' to celebrate*

****caution: immensely explicit lyrics****
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****caution****

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One down, and 20 some odd million to go. Shame people can't let other people be who they are. "If God is wise enough, not to interfere with a man's free will, why arn't his faithful?"

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No! YOU'RE KIDDING! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't believe this .. that's hilarious!

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Actually, this might sound odd, but I don't think it's funny at all. Ironic, yes. But not funny.

The reason being is that funerals are typically held for the living, not the deceased. Falwell may have been an evil jerk while he was alive, but I think that protesting his friends/family/etc. while they grieve over their loss is a very mean thing to do.

 
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no .. the thing itself is not funny .. I agree..

I was just thinking it was OVER ridiculous that a bigot would picket another bigot's funeral..

I was mocking the Westboro .. that's the ultimate proof that they are completely CRAZY

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I was mocking the Westboro .. that's the ultimate proof that they are completely CRAZY

Yes, because they seemed so sane before. Eye-wink

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HAHAHA .. I mean I always thgought they were .. that's normal ..

but crazy enough to picket the funeral of someone who had similar opinions on gay people?

No .. I'm actually shocked Sticking out tongue

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Good riddence to bad rubbish.

Personally it sounds like his god is finally getting pissed off at it's followers and starting to individually target them. "You know, you've taken my book of peace and used it to wage war. You've lied about what I said to further hatred and intolerance, both traits of the devil. And you're going against nearly every moral I've set forth about loving thy neighbor and letting ME to the judging since you're in no place to do it. It's time to make an example of you"

Here here!

-There is no truth

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His god probably needs his help to run all the "fags" out of heaven.

It's pretty disappointing when you have to make people feel bad as an inadvertant way to try and pressure higher powers into oppressing peoples' freedoms.

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He asked God for 20 more years to complete his work.

Apparently, God said 'no'.

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No, God got a female British voice and said, "You ARE the weakest link...goodbye!"

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^^;

If the weakest link lady is God I wanna go to hell..

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*Charline de Lyon grins toothily and prods Mapdark with a pitchfork* We'll be waiting for you! >:}

I think Falwell may have had a bit more than a touch of delusion... especially with the whole Tinky-Winky debaucle. That was just absurd.

Anyway, there are bigots and hypocrits in every religion, everywhere. You will never find any belief without them. Even atheism has them.

However, it is rather obvious that the Bible is very restrictive on sexual behavior. Contrary to what some people have said in previous discussions on this subject, restrictions on sexuality are in the New Testament as well as the old. They're simply mentioned as a single group, with all sexual 'perversions' lumped together as such in several instances rather than as specific laws for single restrictions, like Leviticus. But as was mentioned, God makes the final judgement on those issues. I would suggest that those who want to know read the New Testament carefully. Many mistakes have been made from picking and choosing one phrase or verse, and then losing the entire context by omitting/ignoring everything else that was related to it.

And though its not broadcast widely, there are a number of countries where homosexuality is still legally punishable by execution. At least the US didn't go that route.

On that note, I find it rather silly that Falwell would say that the 9/11 attacks were punishment from God, since most ultra right-wing interpretations of Islam portray it as stemming from the devil. Doesn't... make... sense.

Meh, its safest being asexual. Then all yer bases are covered. Not to mention all the money you save not going on dates! *remembers a certain Family Guy episode* "It seems we've each made another $50 million. I'm so glad we gave up women, as it gave us time to build up our vast fortunes... now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go microwave this bagel and have sex with it.." Peter Griffin, paraphrased. ;P

Uhm... there are no religious restrictions on sexx0rs with pastry as far as I know. Erf... carbohydraphilia anyone? O_o

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Like I always say. "Say no to organized religon, Jesus did."

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"God made people in his own image".

Correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
But that would leave the door open to so many questions. "Since god made gays, and he told us to shun them, does that mean he made a mistake? Or is he just a hypocrite?"

Basically it all comes down to after-life politics. That's all it is. And really, I have enough of that in my current life. If I have to put up with it or choose sides in my afterlife, I'll bring down both empires. Both sides are evil in my eyes.

-There is no truth

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No, because that line of thinking ignores the effects of Adam and Eve's sin. According to the Christian/Jewish belief, the act of disobedience removed humanity from God's perfection and allowed disorder and decay. God wouldn't have created cancer, viruses, parasites, etc. Those would have come about as life strove to continue itself and adapted to the harsh realities of existance without perfection.

The other problem with that line of reasoning is that it could be used to justify pedophiles and all other manner of behaviors that I'm sure most people would find disgusting no matter what. Be careful what arguments you use as rationalities and justifications, because others are waiting to pick them up for their own advantages if they can make them fit.

As for what is evil in your eyes... well, if there is a God, I highly doubt any one's opinion of Him is going to matter. It'd be like an ant yelling at elephant. *squish* Frankly, He's had far more patience with this world than I would have. The planet would be a cinder by now if I were in charge. Me: Eh, this ain't working out. Time to start over! *ZAP* I'd be the ultimate 'vengeful god'. >:}

PS: There is truth. All atoms of a single element have exactly the same number of protons, and all normal matter is made of atoms. Those statements are true! Thus, truth exists. Eye-wink

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"God made people in his own image".

Correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
But that would leave the door open to so many questions. "Since god made gays, and he told us to shun them, does that mean he made a mistake? Or is he just a hypocrite?"

That's certainly one way to approach it.

For me, it comes down more to two pieces:

1. Deeper than my belief in a god is my belief that to send anyone, even a serial rapist or a mass murderer, into eternal torment is unproductive and morally wrong. Even for deities. So if i believe that god would do such a thing to people for sharing a mutually fulfilling consensual relationship, then i believe that god isn't respectable.

2. The prohibition against same sex relationships seems to be one of the only ones that a. is still practiced today and b. doesn't seem to fall under the overarching "love god and love your neighbor" umbrella that jesus of nazareth suggested. I just can't seem to think of any good reason why god would get that bent out of shape over a difference in plumbing. Even if i say it's because they can't naturally produce children...neither can infertile people or post-menopausal women, and i don't mind if they marry.

I do remember having a really interesting conversation once, though, in which we decided that it might have had more to do with ancient economics. At the time, women had very few if any options for supporting themselves economically, other than ones that the bible and/or current law prohibited. In that framework, two men together ties up a lot of resources away from the support of women and, through them, children.

Also, christianity is basically an offshoot of judaism, which is a matrilineal culture. A child needs to know its mother is jewish in order to have a surname and be considered part of the jewish community, and a child with two mothers...whose family name would would it inherit? Revolutions tend to be more successful if they don't rewrite _every_ rule right off.

I recall an article that argued for the jewish prohibition against pork as an economic one--jews are historically a desert people, and pigs don't sweat. Pig farming wastes a lot of valuable water if you try to do it in the desert. *grin*

Of course, i'm also quaker pagan (pagan being the key part there), and i haven't cracked open a bible in 10 years, at least. *shrugs* I know when i'm talking out my rump. *cheerfulgrin*

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Well, the only way to believe in 'eternal' punishment from the Bible is to kinda exclude all the whole book of Revelation, where no matter how you interpret it, the wicked and Satan are all utterly detroyed and gone. I suppose that is eternal, since its absolute oblivion, but it's rather different than the whole burning forever idea, which is actually borrowed more from the Greek/Roman hell, and was blended in when Rome made Christianity the imperial religion.

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I won't claim to be any expert on religion, but I have a Christian friend I have very civil discussions with. He once informed me that the concept of hell was misguided, as in the Christain Bible, "Hell" was simply a fenced off area of heaven where everyone else went that obviously didn't make it into the main part of heaven.

No torture. No purgatory. No ungodly heating bills (pun intended). Nothing like that at all. Just, "Okay we'll be here, you'll be here".

He also had a great sense of humor. He knows I'm athiest. So he tells me one time, "Either I'm right and there is a heaven which I'll go to, and you'll go to hell. Or you'll be right, and we'll both blink out of existance, and I won't have to hear you gloat about you being right. Either way I win!". I thought it was funny Smiling

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wow that is an awesome way to look at it.

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My religion, which I won't say what it is due to the enormous misconceptions and such, believes that nearly everybody makes it into heaven, just a varying degree of glory. Even people that break laws and such go to heaven, but they are in a lesser degree of glory, its still better then Earth though.

The three levels are likened to the Sun (top) moon and stars.

I don't agree with everything in my religion but I do like most of the base concepts.

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I don't have religion, I have faith. Simple faith that whatever God there may be won't punish us for being the way we are, because we really don't know better. There are so many different views that nobody here knows 100% that they are right. They can only have faith.

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[...] I have a Christian friend I have very civil discussions with. He once informed me that the concept of hell was misguided, as in the [Christian] Bible, "Hell" was simply a fenced off area of heaven where everyone else went that obviously didn't make it into the main part of heaven.

No torture. No purgatory. No ungodly heating bills (pun intended). Nothing like that at all. Just, "Okay we'll be here, you'll be here".


Please ask him to provide book, chapter, and verse for that interpretation Puzzled

Ron

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I'll contact him about that. However one must also remember his version of the bible might not be the same as yours.

There is a quote I see often on IRC. I've seen it a hundred times and I never understood the significance until I wrote the above line.

"If it has a version number, it is not the truth. The truth does not come in versions".

Then of course there is my little saying, in my signature at the bottom of every post...

-There is no truth

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Well, the only way to believe in 'eternal' punishment from the Bible is to kinda exclude all the whole book of Revelation, where no matter how you interpret it, the wicked and Satan are all utterly detroyed and gone. I suppose that is eternal, since [it's] absolute oblivion, but it's rather different than the whole burning forever idea,

Rev. 20:10: "And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Rev. 20:15: "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

Sure sounds like eternal punishment vs oblivion to me Sad

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which is actually borrowed more from the Greek/Roman hell, and was blended in when Rome made Christianity the imperial religion.

The New Testament was completed 100+ years (145 AD) before that (AD 313)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan

And FWIW, Falwell denounced violence against gays...

Ron

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And FWIW, Falwell denounced violence against gays...

Only because he is/was a lawyer, and knows better than to advocate real-life violence against anyone.

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And FWIW, Falwell denounced violence against gays...

Only because he is/was a lawyer, and knows better than to advocate real-life violence against anyone.


Cite? His college degree was in theology, and he started his church upon graduation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6921

I can understand the general antipathy of this board towards him, but please try to base it on facts Sad

Ron

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Oops, my fault, I confused him with Fred Phelps (who is disbarred, but went to law school and pushed a LOT of cases through the system). Sorry for the confusion, posting right before bed has unpredictable results Sticking out tongue

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Not the westboro idiots again.. *sprews a long line of cusses* Anyone here remember the big mining accident in buckhannon west virginia? They were there ... They suck big time and stuff *is a fellow buckhannon person*

Shame to see them doing a funeral you know even if the person was a idigit himself.

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I'm glad we all agree that the Westboro group is clearly out of their tree.

As for the rest, I will not attempt to argue my position for the sake of debate...sometimes you can help someone understand a logical fallacy, but you can't debate someone into changing the way he thinks and believes.

Nevertheless, there's an interesting quote from the Old Testament book of Judges that I thought seemed appropriate. "From then on Gideon was called Jerub-baal, which means 'Let Baal defend himself,' because he knocked down Baal's altar." (Judges 6:32) Any being who can rightly claim to be God is able to stand a little criticism.

Furthermore, a personal being (as we understand the term) acknowledged to be supreme over everything may do whatever he chooses, except that he must be consistent with his own nature. Sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?

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