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Berner's picture
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Hey

I live in Canada and ever since I've had a car, I've been driving back and forth to the states a few times over the past 10 years. I never really thought much about it until a few years ago but have always been unsure.

When I visit the U.S. as a foreign national, do I have any rights, civil liberties, freedoms and/or protections etc. blah blah blah under federal law, or is it a case where once I'm in your country, I have none of the above?

I'm not sure if my charter of rights and freedoms in my own country grants me any protection while travelling abroad so I'll check into that, but I was just curious.

I'm not expecting to be kidnapped or anything like that, but it's always better safe than sorry.

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Unclekage's picture
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I have no attorneys on staff, and hence none of us can offer you legal advice. Your best bet is to contact the U.S. Consulate and inquire.

mapdark's picture
"Happiness is simple : Spaghettis , love and sleep ^^"

Location: Montreal , Quebec , Canada

Once you step in the USA you are under the american laws ans liberties..

Simple as that..

I would say the only difference is the you don't have
the right to work there or stay longer than a certain period of time ..

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And we eat skinny bacon.

mapdark's picture
"Happiness is simple : Spaghettis , love and sleep ^^"

Location: Montreal , Quebec , Canada

... there's something else?

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except for the people I don't like..

Vulpes Rex's picture
"Vulpine fortunes are precarious; folk either want to build monuments to us, or hang us."

Location: Roseville, CA, USA

As mentioned above - once you have actually entered the country, you are subject to American Law, and entitled to the protections and procedures of the American Criminal Justice System. When involved in an inquiry into a criminal matter, particularly if there is the chance of criminal charges being brought against you, you have the right to remain silent. You have the right to an attorney to advise and defend you. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided. You have the right to confront and question your accusers, to be made aware of evidence against you, and to refute it.

...And - perhaps most important - as a foreign national, you have the right to speak to a representative of your government. Someone from the Consulate or Legation. If you are arrested and held for anything, make your nationality known, and DEMAND a meeting with that representative, AND a lawyer, before you say or answer anything in the way of questions.

NOTE: If you are arrested or detained, you will be asked to furnish ID, or for personal information about you, such as how old you are, where you live, do you have any medical conditions or take any medication, family members inside or outside the country, that sort of thing. You HAVE to answer those questions, and there really isn't any reason not to - your rights to see an attorney or your governmental representative are granted AFTER you have been arrested or detained, and you aren't considered arrested or detained until you are "booked" into custody, which includes answering these particular questions and perhaps enduring a few other unpleasant indignities, such as a photograph, fingerprints, and a strip search.

I am NOT a lawyer - but I used to work as the dispatcher at a small town police department in the Mojave Desert, and it was part of my job to fill out the paperwork on arrested folk, and making sure that they understood the rights as explained to them by the arresting officer, prior to them being hauled off to jail. Depending upon the nature of the offense and the time of day, you may be entitled to an OR (Own Recognisance) release, post bail for infractions, or
be brought immediately before a magistrate, if one is available - though that is best done AFTER speaking with your national representative, AND a lawyer.

If you are stopped by a policeman for a minor violation of traffic or other laws - an "infraction" - you will most likely be asked to sign a "Notice To Appear". This is what a traffic ticket is. It states that on a certain date and time, officer so-and-so observed you committing an action which he has probable cause to believe is a violation of whatever code it is he says you violated, and that you are commanded to appear at the Courthouse, on such-and-such a date and time, to answer to the charge. There is a line that says, "Without admitting Guilt, I promise to appear at the date and time specified" or words to that effect. Signing it IS a promise to appear. There is really no reason NOT to sign, but if you fail to do so, against all logic or entreaties on the part of the officer that you do so, you can be detained then and there until a magistrate is free to judge your case.

NOTE: The officer should NOT ask you to pay him any money!

Court dates are typically at least 2 weeks after the date of the infraction; before that time you will receive a notice in the mail, with more details about the date, time, and location of your hearing. You will also receive a "bail schedule", listing the amount of bail that you should post if you intend to answer the charge.

If you FAIL TO APPEAR, as you promised - and you mailed the appropriate bail amount off to the court clerk - you lose your case, and the bail amount is forfeit, as a fine. End of Story, you go on with Life.

If you FAIL TO APPEAR, and you DIDN'T send any bail to the court clerk - then a warrant for your arrest will be issued, and the angels in heaven shall weep for you.

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I have a better idea.

Don't break any laws while you're here.

Mwuricon D Malamute's picture
Location: York, PA

Wow not breaking the law, thats an interesting concept. Why doesn't everyone do that?

desteredra's picture
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Location: Philadelphia area, PA

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It's a well-guarded secret. You should feel honored that we're sharing such privileged information with you. ;=8)

*looks around at the board*

OK, so you and most of the rest of the free world. Close enough.

Berner's picture
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Because people are selfish and would rather just take the easier way out. Although... sometimes people work too hard at taking the easy way out, try and figure that one out o.@

The TWF's picture
"That One and Him"

Location: New Jersey, US

Cause laws are stupid and were made by long-dead and not-dead-enough crazy absolutists. Eye-wink

Like Kage said, do some research. And avoid breaking the usuals like don't kill people or feel up kids.

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gaz_a's picture
Location: UK

Sadly in any country it isn't neccessary to break any laws to have a requirement for that sort of information, there are many reasons why an innocent person might end up being arrested (eg. defending yourself against an unprovoked attack, a witness says they think you started it). The US is the same as every other country, they have unprofessional police officers with questionable morals and an interest in getting a "result", and if the detained person is a foreign national it can only help them in this. (I am in the UK but have a relative who is a long-serving police officer in Florida)

Berner's picture
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Just as long as we all remember it's the minority among police officers that not only give people who hate police because their friends hate police and are too stupid to form their own opinion a reason to hate them but also the minority percentage among police officers that make the majority look bad.

Police officers are just as human as me and you. There are a lot of really good cops, and there are some bad apples. The best way I find to look at police officers is that all they really are are middle men between the courts and the public. Some of the prejudice towards police come from people who don't understand that in society, you're no better than the next person and when you get caught breaking the law, you have to be justly punished for what you've done, just the same as if it were anyone else in your shoes.

A lot of people I find don't like that at all and seem to have the whole "How dare you do this to me!" attitude. Take traffic violations as an example. Some people make it a point to be difficult about it when all the cop wants to do is just tell you what you did wrong and give you a ticket or a warning not to do it again. The person raises a huge stink about it, acts like a total jerk towards the officer and then the officer gives the driver the maximum fine/point demerit he can. What I find funny about the whole thing is that after the guy's been a total jerk and gets that ticket, he gets even more pissed off because he wasn't expecting the officer was going to do that, and then they fall pretty hard off their high horse.

Unfortunately because of stuff like that, he/she calls up his/her friends to piss and moan about "the *sshole cop" that gave poor little miss can't be wrong a ticket.

But yeah, there are a lot of good police officers out there and there are a few bad apples. Some bad apples should not have been hired in the first place and some bad apples could have just turned sour over time I think because they probably just got tired of dealing with people who wanted to do things their own way and retaliate against police when they come to arrest them and taking crap from Joe public and some bad apples in the media.

There are a lot of reasons why there are bad officers. Some of them that are very obvious and some of them that although unjustifiable, have a certain sense of understanding that come with them.

As long as we all remember that no matter what profession you're in, you will always find that demographic of bad apples.

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