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okay so anthrocon will be my first con and also be the first time I am in suit that is if I can get the time to get it done but I have wondered what should I do because I am going to be so lost when I get there it is one of those things where you need a map that tells you where you go before you do random fursuit stuff

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In your case, I'd take things slowly.  If you've never fursuited before you may want to attend a couple of panels on it first.  You may need a spotter.

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One thing to remember is to not wear your fursuit to registration.  If you are in fursuit you will be asked to remove your head as we will need to verify that your ID and face match the registration.  I would also suggest attending the "So This is Your First Anthrocon" panel.  You can get a lot of good information there.  I know in the past they have also had the AC Mentoring Program.  This is where they assign first time con goers to a con veteran so they can be shown around.  I don't know if they will have it again this year but if they do it is a good way to meet some new furs and get familiar with the con space at the same time.

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It is also a good idea to walk around the con space before getting in suit. Your vision is very limited in suit, so it's best to know where you are going before hand.

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There will be maps of both the convention center and the hotel spaces in your con guide.  Random fursuit "stuff" can happen almost anywhere in our space.  Some of the favorite locations tend to be on the convention center concourse, near and in the Zoo, and the second floor Westin Rotunda.  These are nice open areas wwith lots of viewing space.

 

Just be aware that some areas are NOT good for random fursuit activities.  The elevators and escalators are especially bad places as they are high traffic and could become a safety hazard. (Not to mention they are moving pieces of equipment, and could be damaged or damage your costume if there is horse play around them.  Also the convention center rooftop area is a big No-No.  No fooling around up there.  That has caused safety issues with the facility.

 

Use common sense and you'll have a good time. Smiling

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Awwwww! No rooftop rough-housing, KP? I mean, like, c'mon! No one's dumb enough to do anything stupid on the roof, right?

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Well there are the idiots that ruin all the fun for the others the ones that get rules put in place because of there stupid actions and then people blame the people that made the rule when it was stupid people that actually made the rule happen for others safety or at least that is what I have witnessed

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My school is one prime example no off campus because of some idiots that would skip and cause mayhem

(oh and I know it's sarcasm but might as well explain for others that might not understand)

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it's probably a good idea to go out and practice suiting somewhere, to familiarize yourself with the limitations and visibility of it.  if you're going to have a spotter during the con, then you're going to want to practice with them.  work out signals and such. 

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Yea well I got a full year for that. Can't go this year which gives a sad face, but surprisingly enough it was not because of parents. When I told them I thought they were going think of me weird. but instead they were cool with it, but the fact is that I can't go this year because. Me being 16 almost 17 still have school to attend and trying to start a computer shop business, will get in the way. Also that our family are in a bit of a tight spot money wise. But life is good I guess better then it could be. plus I have to find the time to actually get the materials to make a fur suit. If I am really good at it maybe make a little money on the side with that. I do have a good friend however who is willing to be my spotter, but well I don't see that many furries around Juneau. So it is hard to talk person to person to someone that is part of the fandom, and willing to admit it. I mean yea I lost a few friends because of the whole furry thing but nothing that I did not expect. But things seemed to have actually gotten a little better when I found out about furries. I mean before I felt like I had no one to relate with. So as expected I acting like a person I was not to fit in. But I somehow feel more at home in a way with the furry fandom then I did on really anything else. I really was never sure about other quote "others fandoms" unquote but this one. I had more of a connection with and sometimes I laugh at my self. I have opened up more to friendly furries, even after I closed my self off because of resent heart break. which still takes its toll on me but I have managed far better then I thought I would. Then again good friends are useful, but look at me spilling close to all of my life story on a post. I think of it a bit funny I guess but I still got a lot of life to live. But it feels like 50 years have gone by in the matter of 16 1/2. It seems kinda crazy I guess but then again. I don't think there ever was a time where things did not seem crazy. Even if it was a little bit but I should stop here before I keep going I could go on forever. lol but that is me I talk endlessly..

(this has been edited but I am not sure if it finished)

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Wow.  Well, perhaps we'll see you in 2012.  Don't worry; we'll still be here.

I hate to nitpick (and I'll thump any following posters who do), but it might be a little easier for us to follow your posts if you put in a little punctuation.  I suspect it would be of tremendous help, too, in getting your business off the ground.  You might want to browse through some of the information that starts here.

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Yes I should slow down when posting. You see I am in fact smart but a little slow in areas. I mean I could fix a computer no problem but my writing is not that great. It takes me a little longer to look it over and see where a period should go, but thanks anyways for the link. However I should note that ones intelligence should not be measured by how well they wright or how well they talk. I do know how important it is in our modern day business world though.

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I don't think he implied you're not intelligent, it's just that whole entire post you made was unreadable. I gave it a few shots myself and gave up after the first two sentences.

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Here's an intro to semi-colon usage:

(With special guest appearance by Godzilla!)

Enjoy!

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http://search.dilbert.com/search?w=semi-colon&x=0&y=0

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So let me see if I've got this right.  If you don't know whether to use a period or a comma just put the period on top of the comma.

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Actually, that is an interesting way to think about it.

If a comma is too weak and a period is too strong, then why not use both!?

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All sorts of stuff you're probably responsible for knowing:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi_colon

 

Remember:  Many people do not consider Wikipedia to be authoritative.

(You may want to skip the right column on the page, unless you want to learn what an interrobang is.)

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I was not implying that he was saying that I was not intelangance.

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I was not implying that he was saying that I was not intelangance.

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wish i had a longer siggie so that i could quote that...

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I have also taken the time to edit my post. But I am still not sure if it is to standard.

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here's a good rule for making things easier to read online.  after every 3 lines, skip a line. it makes the entire thing much more bearable and isn't too hard.  it helps us help you Smiling

note:  you don't even have to use full punctuation.  i never do Eye-wink

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Well all things aside I am not sure if i should get into making fur suits

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I am not sure if i should get into making fur suits

Making Fursuits can be quite an involved undertaking; it either requires a lot of time and a certain degree of skill, or a lot of money.  Sometimes it requires  a lot of both.  The skills required can be picked up with experience (and more time), by trying certain things, and seeing what works, and what doesn't.

But more important than the question of To Build or Not To Build is this:  WHY do you want a fursuit, in the first place?  For you, what is the purpose of the fursuit, and its significance?

Furry Fandom didn't start with fursuits.  Fursuits are not at the core of it, nor are they the only way to participate in it.  The very large majority of Furry Fans, even the most popular and best-known, do not own or wear fursuits.

(...well, some do - but that isn't what they are known for, or why they are the most popular!)

The most common Furry Outlet is for people to create characters, often external to themselves, and then writing stories about them or drawing pictures of them.  A HUGE portion of of our fandom is composed of writers, artists, illustrators, and animators, who try to make a living from their talent in these areas, either on their own or as employees of media companies.  An even bigger portion of our fandom is composed of amateurs, people who write or draw simply for the love of it, or who are talented, but not yet skilled enough to actually make a living from their abilities.  If you look through FurAffinity or any of the other on-line furry art archives, you will see _mostly_ these amateurs posting what they create.  Oh, the professionals are there too, but they are far outnumbered by the amateurs, so it can be hard to find good-quality artwork and among all the "stuff" that gets submitted.  Because of that, it is very hard to get a good grasp on just what quality is out there, because you have to wade through a LOT of "not-so-quality" to find it.

But that is beside the point.  If someone has the talent, and if they devote serious study and diligent practice to developing their skill, they can become pretty good at it - even good enough to warrant charging fair prices for their work.  This doesn't seem to discourage anyone from trying.  And the same thing goes for the writing, except that there are fewer venues today in which to get your work published, and shared with an audience.

Of the Fursuiters - many of them are Costumers.  Their interest in the fursuit is as a costume creation.  These same people often go to Science Fiction Conventions, and make different costumes for those, mostly of aliens or robots or StarWars characters or characters from more classic movies and television, such as Buck Rogers or Ming the Merciless or Barbarella.  They also go to Renaissance Faires, dressed in anything from medieval knights' armor to Elizabethan Court formal clothing.  They may also dress up in Western (cowboy) regalia, or even in uniforms for Civil War or Revolutionary War Reenactments.  For these people, detail and realism is the thing.  Their fursuits will be worn and entered in the convention Masquerade, but they are primarily meant to be seen, and demonstrate the costumer's skill at creating the illusion of whatever he or she is supposed to be.

Some of the fursuiters are Performers.  They are trying to perform for an audience, and while they are "in character", that character is only of so much importance to the performance itself.  For them, "The Play's the Thing", to quote Shakespeare.  That they are depicting a Coyote or a Rabbit or a Fox or a Bear or a Tiger, is only important enough that they can get the impression across of the proper animal, doing a particular thing in the performance.  Many of these fursuiters will have a variety of suits to wear, running the gamut from Predator to Prey, and from Comic to Dramatic.  Most of these suits are just realistic enough so that you can recognise what they are supposed to be, but in every other detail, they are constructed so as to give the best mobility and flexibility for the performer to - well, to Perform.  And some of them are pretty good, having mastered Pantomime and Slapstick.  One such as Jimmy Chin, best known as Yippie Coyote, though he has other critters in his collection as well - including a couple of raccoons and a rabbit.  Jimmy has actually had experience as a Professional Mascot - and while he is best known for his Coyote character, when he was hired to work for Marriott's Great America themepark, which utilizes Warner Bros cartoon characters, he was not given the role of Wile E. Coyote.  No - with his performance skills and crowd-interaction instincts, he had to "settle" for...Bugs Bunny, the Prime Meridian of the Warner Bros animated world.  For a mascot performer, that's a high honor.

There are Fursuiters who wish to depict a specific character.  One would be Pete Stoller, who for years wore a rather eeirily realistic fursuit of Jack Salem.  Jack is the comicbook/graphic novel creation of Roz Gibson, an artist and writer.  Jack is NOT a hero.  He is a cold, calculating sociopathic killer and rapist and reverted carnivore, a cross between an anthropomorphic cat and an anthropomorphic sable.  And at one time in this fandom, a hugely popular character, despite that.  Sort of like the TV character of "Dexter", but without the redeeming qualities...Jack Salem is almost a modern, furry version of Jack the Ripper.

...But most of this group are fursuiters who are portraying another creator's character, with permission, or their own unique character, perhaps developed as a game chracter for a role-playing game, or for an on-line "Virtual World", like FurryMUCK or SecondLife.  These people are more concerned that the personality of the character itself comes through, and the design of the fursuit is a mix of realistic detail - at least enough to resemble an illustration of the character, or to be recognised from an on-line text description.  Since fursuiters don't usually speak (they are muffled by the head or mask, pretty much), they have to get across who they are visually, either with the detail in the suit, or the use of props associated with the character, in certain striking action poses.  Two such characters who come to mind are Falstaff and Chester Ringtail, and you have to be familiar with the artwork in which both characters have appeared.  10 years ago, the fandom was small enough so that almost everybody knew of and recognised Chester; this is less so, today,  But when the fursuit of Chester first appeared, it was stunning in its similarity to Terrie Smith's Drawings (Terrie is Chester's creator), and it is still a mystery to this very day as to who the performer wearing the fursuit was.  (I believe that I know who, but when I first heard the claim, I didn't quite believe it - Chester, as drawn (and the resulting fursuit), has a slender, almost impossibly willowy body.  However, photographic evidence of the person in a completely different context leads me to now conclude that the claim is likely true, after all - for I have never known the claimant to make such claims falsely).

Finally - there is the group of fursuiters who wish, for their own reasons, to walk about in the world for a few hours as the creature of their dreams.  This may be a creature of pure fantasy, or of cartoonish design and personality, or as realistic as a real, anthropomorphic Tiger or Wolf or Dragon can be, if such creatures with such bodies could actually exist.  The person wearing the fursuit will adopt as much of the behavioural traits usually associated with that species of animal, so that it feels Tigerish or Catty or Bird-like or whatever, but in a generic way, not as a specific personality with set motives and desires - I don't believe that anyone who once dons a fox fursuit suddenly adopts the desire or the mission to prowl the convention halls in search of chickens, for example.  Most of us would describe this as "pretend", but again - this particular class of fursuiters do so for their own reasons, and we are not really in a position to question the validity of their reason, or their right to do so.

It is very important though, to bear in mind that any particular fursuit which you see, may be there just to perform, or just to be seen, or just to enact or depict a specific role - and not necessarily for any other particular purpose.  Each Fursuiter has his or her own reasons for making or wearing a fursuit - and they may not be the same reasons which you have for wanting to make or wear one.

So - should you get into making fursuits?  That all depends on why you wish to wear one, and what it means to you.  No one expects you to make or wear one - and no one (in fandom, at least) will stop you, if you decide to try.

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...And all other things aside?  For every post I make, I wind up having to go through it and edit it, and check and recheck it, and then - right after posting it and seeing it up there where everyone else can see it too - I wind up seeing some typo or spelling error or truly atrocious grammatical mistake - the kind that make people point their fingers at you and laugh at you - and have to click the "edit" button and try to correct that mistake, without making any more - and usually, I only have to do that three times per post.

And I bet that there are maybe 9 or 10 mistakes still up there, yet - so I'm no expert.  I just try, and when I see or discover something that I've been doing contrary to what I supposedly learned in grade school and high school, I try to learn from it.  I have a dictionary within easy reach, and when my spelling-sense tingles and says to me that "that word just ain't right", I reach for it.  So don't feel too badly, just try and do better with every post, okay?   

Good Luck!

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I really wish we could sticky-post this response, Vulpes Rex.  You delved into the world of the fursuit wearer so beautifully, and explained so much more about the reasons behind them than I ever knew... and I have a 'suit!  (I'm in the "Finally" group, by the way.... to be able to *be* Tyrrlin the Gryphoness, just for a few hours, even in pretend, is such a joy!)

Wonderful response.

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That is a wonderful response, Vulpes Rex.  You have given a great insight into why various people suit.  Like Tyrrlin I have to say I would also fall into the "Finally" group.  I do have to say that one of my greatest pleasures I get when I'm in my suit is interacting with kids.  I get a chance to suit at my local zoo where I volunteer at regularly and just watching the joy on the faces of the kids is just amazing.  Some of the kids I have come across I don't think I will ever forget.

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Yes thank you for you post but ill keep mine short. You see one of the main things that I liked were the fur suits them selfs. Yes I do know that it is not all about the suits I have done my research. I also have a few skills in sewing from which taking native art classes. I am also improving my drawing of anthros and also writing a book which I am having my teachers proofread for errors. I do need a lot of improvement in a lot of artistic areas. I can defiantly say that, I am no picasso but I am improving. With all of that I am not just looking at furries as all fursuiters. They actually from my research do not make up the migratory of the fandom. I also have made two fursonas one's name is Firewolf Icefox. The other is Serada Luna which with the story I have made them they are brothers. Twins even but both of course act different. Firewolf keeps to him self not liking to talk to anyone when he does not have to. Serada however is outgoing he talks to anyone saying hi and being very kind. I do request that you tell me if this is a little too disrespectful. I do not mean things to be that way but for some it comes out that way in which I say sorry. But by no means am I trying to disrespect anyone with that I conclude what I wanted to say.

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