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Kobuk D. Husky's picture
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While I don't go to Art, Gaming, Puppet, or GOH panels, I did tend to poke my snout in some of the various Fursuit panels and I noticed the following issues:

1. There appears to be too much overlapping and/or duplicity. Take for example the following:

Masks, Prosthetics, & Latex Work, Saturday 11a-12p

Face and Body Painting, and Costume Prosthetics, Saturday 10a-12p

.......and also these two:

Tips and Tricks of Basic Fursuit Repair, Saturday 4-5p

Fursuit Care and Maintenance, Saturday 5-6:30p

........and also these:

Fursuit Performance in Public, Friday 1-2p

Fursuit Character Building and Performance, Friday 3-4p

.........and these:

So You Want to be a Fursuit Handler: Basic, Friday 2-3p

So You Want to be a Fursuit Handler: Advanced, Saturday 11a-12p

Is there really enough info. out there in the fandom and/or on the Net that warrents having two panels about being a handler? How complicated can being a handler be?

I can understand that the programming staff wants to provide attendees with a diversity of events and activities to go to and enjoy, but I feel there doesn't need to be so much duplicity when only one 1-2 hour long panel on fursuit repair and maintenance might be adequate enough for example.

 

And speaking of diversity, I still see the same panel topics year after year at AC and/or other con schedules. Things like fursuit design, repair, performance, etc. It's the same old, same old stuff. Sticking out tongue And whenever I poked my snout in some of the panel rooms, I saw rooms that didn't have a lot of people or were practically empty. Though part of the problem for that is that most people are getting more and more information off the Internet nowadays. Why go to a panel when you can get info. off a website or a forum?

And the Fursuit Meet and Greet on Friday was pretty low as well. When I went there, I only saw maybe 1-2 dozen people/suiters.

If I remember correctly, I think K.P. mentioned there were 250 panels and events in the Programming Guide this year. That might seem like a lot to see and do, but from my perspective, I saw a lot of nearly empty panel rooms and/or duplicity of events, etc. There needs to be more creativeity when suggesting panels and events. Stuff that nobody has ever thought of or done before, but yet is related to the furry fandom and meets AC, DLCC, and Westin rules, safety, guidelines, and such.

Heck, I even tried submitting an idea for a panel back in Jan./Feb. titled "How to Commission a Fursuit". I thought it would be a great idea for a panel and I've wanted to do a panel on it for the last 4 years. I even have a tutorial on Furtopia about it. But sadly, Through mis-communication or something else, my panel never made it into the con schedule until late Friday or Saturday morning in the Sched.org con listing. :(  What went wrong, K.P.? Was Jan./Feb. not early enough for a request? What did I do wrong?

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Well, one potentially good thing about having similar panels is that, perhaps I couldn't attend "panel A" dealing with...say...coloured pencils because I was in some other panel about a different topic, but I would then be able to catch "panel B" at another time where there was no such conflict.

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I was thinking the same thing. I forget how many panels they said that there were, but I know it was a lot, so it would mean you might have to pick one panel over the other. Having two means that you could catch a second one. And I am not certain on it, but it is possible that two similar panels could be run by two different people, giving different input and methods for a wider variety of opinions.

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I'm reasonably sure that every panel I ran was either the first incident of a panel of that type at AC, or the first incident of a panel of that type in the last two years.

 

That said, there are distinct differences in each pair of panels you mentioned. If you'd like, I can explain what I believe those differences to be.

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My only problem was that the majority of the drawing seminars/classes ( life drawing etc) i was looking forward to were Thursday night. Me and my crew spent most of thursday just getting in and getting our room thus missing them all. I had hoped they'd have been spaced about the weekend instead of all in one night

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As I understood it, part of the reason for that was to make those panels available to artists and dealers who might otherwise be tied up in the Alley/Den tackling commissions and sales the rest of the con.

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Fair enough then. Still would have liked a bit more during the weekend though. they kinda of slowly dropped off over the years and that was among the big reasons i like going to AC.

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And for some of them to be hosted by those artists, as well. They seemed to be well-attended enough that the Thursday night programmign focus will likely be a bit art-centric, but we can consider things.

Thursday night is an interesting ground. There's a fair amount of clamor for more programming then with a lot of people arriving early; but obviously we can't schedule too much before Opening Ceremonies, which is the real kickoff of the con. So a lot of the panels that will be open are ones that appeal to dealers, staff, or longtime attendees who are more likely to be there early Thursday, to get through Registration and into these panels.

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This will be an ever present situation for a number of reasons.  As one person has already noted, some people have to miss one panel to attend another.  Thus we will have someone crying "Why does X panel have to be at the same time as Y panel?"  We also have people that have differing levels of ability or technique.  One panel may have a great focus on the creation and detailing of latex appliances, and another about the application and finishing.   The other thing that we look at is that all of the programming is volunteered to the convention.  When someone is offering to host a class, it's really not our position to tell them that they can only discuss one topic because someone else is talking about another.  We let them know that someone else is already hosting an event with a specific description, and if they say "I have something different to offer", then we can schedule theirs as well.

In terms of spreading out the art track, for many of the Thursday events, it was "Thursday or No-day".  Many of our prominent artists have not contributed to panel time before, because they are in the dealer room earning a living.  The offer of time on Thursday gave them an opportunity to teach panels when they had time to do so.  There was no way to "spread" those events out, because once the convention started, they were not available to host classes.  It was something we tried this year, and it worked fairly successfully...so we will probably try working with it again.

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Quote Kobuk D. Husky: "1. There appears to be too much overlapping and/or duplicity. Take for example the following:

Masks, Prosthetics, & Latex Work, Saturday 11a-12p

Face and Body Painting, and Costume Prosthetics, Saturday 10a-12p"

Those were actually two COMPLETELY different panels. The first (first in time, that is; actually it is the second one listed above) concerned tips and instruction on using and applying face and body paint and latex appliances. The second was on designing and casting your own masks and prosthetics from latex or many other materials. I was at both and assure you that while they were complementary, there was no overlap of content. Also, the awesome presenters realized there would be audience members who would want to see both and they solved the time overlap by having the two panels one after the other and in the same room. They were very well attended and the information presented at both was wonderful.

Quote Kobuk D. Husky: "Things like fursuit design, repair, performance, etc. It's the same old, same old stuff."

Same old, same old, unless you are new to the fandom or new to fursuiting, then it is just what you want to learn about! Could you imagine being a new fursuiter and making the trek to Anthrocon, and NOT being able to attend an informative panel on fursuit design, repair, performance, or handling??! That would be pretty sad.

I think your suggested panel on how to commission a fursuit sounds like it would be a great addition to the offerings, I hope it is on the schedule for next year.

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"But sadly, Through mis-communication or something else, my panel never made it into the con schedule until late Friday or Saturday morning in the Sched.org con listing. :(  What went wrong, K.P.? Was Jan./Feb. not early enough for a request? What did I do wrong?"

I had this same issue! I put in a couple of panel suggestions back in February, one of which I was willing to host and would have been VERY unique and fun. I never heard back about either of the panels, not even with a negatory response! I even tried re-sending them, both through the panel submission process AND directly by email, but still with no result. Is this normal?

As far as Thursday-night art panels go, I disagree about that being the best/only time for them to take place. The Den/Alley closes at 6 every day, right? What's to prevent the arty panels from going on then, during the slightly later hours?

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As far as Thursday-night art panels go, I disagree about that being the best/only time for them to take place. The Den/Alley closes at 6 every day, right? What's to prevent the arty panels from going on then, during the slightly later hours?

Artists have to eat sometime, even if they're starving artists. And then many have "homework" (commissions) to do. The artists are the ones who suggested Thursday as being the best time for them.

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I'm looking to see why some people's event info comes through, and others did not.  For the most part, communications thorugh the email addy seem to be going through ok.  But there do seem to be some scattered incidents of messages that didn't come through.  Will try to find out what is causing that.

As for artists in the evenings....keep in mind that many of the artists who are in the dealers room have "homework" to do in the evenings.  That is, they are working on commissions when they are not at a meal or sleeping.  That's why it is very typical for an artist to not be able to attend any functions at the convention once the dealers room opens.  I know many artists who work until 1 or 2am on commissions, go to bed, and then get up in the morning, have breakfast and go straight to the dealer room.  That's just their routine at conventions.  This was the first year we offered time prior to the convention opening, and we were quite pleased that many great artists were willing to host panels since they would not lose working time.

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Would it be wise for people who are interested in panels to e-mail you AND send you a private message on the forum here?

 

E-mails sometimes disintegrate, but forum PMs seldom do.

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Is it too early to submit panels now, or should I wait a bit? And when the time does come, how should I go about it to ensure they don't get lost this time?

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As I recall, your panel was under my (fandom) track.  I fully admit to dropping the ball last year and I've already devised a new system that should(hopefully) prevent the recurrence of this error.  At Anthrocon, we make NEW mistakes each year.

 

Feel free to send me the email directly to me and we can start to get it squared away.

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What address is that?

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*prepares to go into defensive mode about how his Rock Band tournaments are awesome*

*notices you don't attend gaming panels*

Never miiiiiind...

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